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AI Detects Unusual Signal Hidden in a Famous Raphael Masterpiece
Science Alert ^ | December 30, 2023 | David Nield

Posted on 12/29/2023 7:57:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Scholars have in fact long debated whether or not the painting is a Raphael original... a new method of analysis based on an AI algorithm has sided with those who think at least some of the strokes were at the hand of another artist.

Researchers from the UK and US developed a custom analysis algorithm based on the works that we know are the result of the Italian master's brushwork...

Machine learning processes typically need to be trained on a vast pool of examples, something which isn't always available when it comes to a sole artist's life work. In this case, the team modified pre-trained architecture developed by Microscoft called ResNet50, coupled with a traditional machine learning technique called a Support Vector Machine.

The method has previously been shown to have a 98 percent accuracy level when it comes to identifying Raphael paintings. Usually, it's trained on whole pictures, but here the team also asked it to look at individual faces.

While the Madonna, the Child, and St John all show up as being created from the hand of Raphael, that's not the case of St Joseph. The researchers note that in previous debates over the painting's authenticity, St Joseph's face has been thought to be less well done than the others in the frame...

Giulio Romano, one of Raphael's pupils, may have been responsible for the fourth face, but that's by no means certain. It's another example of modern technology revealing the secrets of classic paintings – this time with AI.

The Madonna della Rosa was painted on canvas in the years 1518 to 1520, experts think. It was in the mid-1800s that art critics started to suspect that Raphael might not have painted all of the artwork.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencealert.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ai; godsgravesglyphs; madonnadellarosa; madonnaoftherose; middleages; painting; prado; raphael; renaissance
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To: Dr. Sivana

The method has previously been shown to have a 98 percent accuracy level when it comes to identifying Raphael paintings.

Says who?


21 posted on 12/29/2023 8:59:34 PM PST by Smellin Salt
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To: Jamestown1630

Agree


22 posted on 12/29/2023 9:07:10 PM PST by Rembrandt (-a sure sign a Dem is lying - his lips are moving.)
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To: Leaning Right

😛🤣😂


23 posted on 12/29/2023 9:08:00 PM PST by antceecee
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To: SunkenCiv

First example of a photo-bombing?


24 posted on 12/29/2023 9:10:24 PM PST by Stosh
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To: Jonty30

Whatvyou have written is true and I support your comment.

The “ Art World” already has numerous methods to detect

anomalies in suspect high art claims. The human eye ,sense

of smell and touch in verification of provenance all

play the part of authentication.

There is not anything in the world that can replace these

ways in documentation and verification of provenance.

With AI ? its the deception you have been warned about

because AI is garbage in/ garbage out .

Nothing can replace the human eye and its five senses.

If by some chance you invest in the art world now is the

time to hold on to what you have in your collection

and not let go.

AI “ art” will thrive because of algorithmic appeal

of what can be produced ; appealing to the tik tokers

and social media fiends & influencers

the way I look at it AI is strictly a simulacrum.

In the coming years people will tire of the ever changing

algorithms( sp?)

and seek to return , yet again , to making genuine art.

As for me and my opinion about art I will always hold

dear the artwork that I have and the art I have collected

and will treasure these pieces even more just like my

old 1994 Ford150q² long bed.


25 posted on 12/29/2023 9:14:13 PM PST by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOESNT KiILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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26 posted on 12/29/2023 9:19:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

27 posted on 12/29/2023 9:21:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: thesligoduffyflynns

i have no idea where the q2 thing came from so pardon please


28 posted on 12/29/2023 9:24:18 PM PST by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOESNT KiILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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To: Jonty30

True... but on the other hand, when AI is used to create artwork, it does weird things like give human figures 3 hands, or tries to pass off obvious cormorant-cardinal mashup images as woodpeckers.


29 posted on 12/29/2023 9:26:23 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ldish

a bit strict arent we ?

this is about AI and ART

ART is made by humans , get it?


30 posted on 12/29/2023 9:27:10 PM PST by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOESNT KiILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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To: ldish

a bit strict arent we ?

this is about AI and ART

ART is made by humans , get it?

AI is algo(s)


31 posted on 12/29/2023 9:28:20 PM PST by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOESNT KiILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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To: ldish

That’s right, we should immediately curtail all aesthetic interest and recreational activities until the votes are re-counted. /s


32 posted on 12/29/2023 9:41:06 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: SunkenCiv

The British series “Fake or Fortune” is an excellent show featuring art dealer and historian Philip Mould and Fiona Bruce who hosts the UK Antiques Roadshow. There has been 11 seasons of the show, with approximately 4 episodes in each season. Mould and Fiona help owners of various forms of art, to prove or disprove whether a piece of art is an original. They work with various art experts and conservationists in order to help discover whether the work is a fake or a fortune. Some of the episodes are available on YouTube.


33 posted on 12/29/2023 9:45:30 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: piasa
'weird things like give human figures 3 hands'

Well, as far as art goes, it's an improvement over '.stop-motion'. (One could certainly use three hands a lot more than a hand with only 3 or 4 fingers...)
34 posted on 12/29/2023 9:47:42 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: 21twelve

Joesph got right screwed.

Shows the importance of having a good agent.


35 posted on 12/29/2023 9:51:31 PM PST by Lazamataz (In order to prevent tyranny, Democrats have decided who I can and cannot vote for.)
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To: mass55th

Thanks! A few years ago I enjoyed a documentary on the restoration of Leonardo’s Salvator Mundi, I’m looking for that one, probably should check for the saved file of it. :^)

https://search.brave.com/search?q=%E2%80%9CFake+or+Fortune%E2%80%9D+youtube


36 posted on 12/29/2023 10:45:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: piasa

You ought to look at what YouTuber Thinker thinker goT when he asked AI to make picture of a Bigfoot standing next to a Buffalo.

It is pretty funny.


37 posted on 12/29/2023 11:18:40 PM PST by Fai Mao (Strarve the Beast and steal its food.)
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To: Lazamataz

“...having a good agent.”

That’s what I say about polar bears. Remember when it was all about the baby seals? Now it is all about the bears and global warming.

Bears that eat seals.


38 posted on 12/29/2023 11:18:52 PM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re welcome. I thoroughly enjoy watching the episodes where they have art restorers and conservationists cleaning the paintings, putting them under x-ray and ultra-violent light to see if anything shows up, like a previous painting on the same canvas, that isn’t visible to the naked eye. It amazes me how they use a cotton swab and special chemicals to reveal and uncover years of grime and varnish, and discover parts of paintings that weren’t visible until being cleaned. I think I would find it very relaxing, and satisfying, sitting there with a pair of magnifying glasses on, and slowing cleaning and revealing a painting, returning it to the way it looked when it was first painted.


39 posted on 12/29/2023 11:46:06 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: SunkenCiv

40 posted on 12/30/2023 1:09:11 AM PST by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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