Posted on 08/01/2020 7:47:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I would hesitate to go into issues and evidence for HCQ and inflammatory conditions, as I would not want to derail the thread. I guess the point of my mentioning inflammatory conditions, which if I understand you correctly (I am not a physician—just a writer/teacher) is that HCQ for covid-19 works through a mechanism with zinc and possibly also an antibiotic. Is that your understanding, also? This mechanism is thought to be HCQ acting as an ionophore to transport zinc into the cells, which then STOPS the virus from replicating. Thus, if there is no zinc, the HCQ has no purpose or effect on Covid-19—unless (and here it is murkier) it may be helping in some other way, by itself, as an anti-inflammatory. Is that your take on it, also? However, why not add the zinc in the study? I can not find zinc in one single negative HCQ for Covid-19 study, unless I missed one. I see no rhyme or reason to exclude it from studies. In addition, many of the negative studies seem to use potentially toxic HCQ doses. Yikes! What has happened to science!
Thanks, I here ya.
But, the only quinine I have comes from tonic.
I have plenty of quinine, that I can add to soda water, every once in a while.
I take Quercetin, daily.
Meant to say....the only quinine I take.
You stated ...”Hydroxychloroquine indirectly fights ‘the REPLICATION’ purpose of the virus”.....
So this sounds rather like those with the flu use over the counter preparations to treat their symptoms which does not actually cure the flu just weakens it’s punch from what it would otherwise be.
Soon, around 1:38 into the Bitchute video, Mobeen Syed, MD explains how Hydroxychloroquine works at the cellular level: "Mechanism of Action of Hydroxychloroquine"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JYDcnJFEnw4W/
The actual Bitchute MP4 video (just in case, if you have trouble with previous link):
https://seed305.bitchute.com/jwafXzqw38WQ/JYDcnJFEnw4W.mp4
Dr. Mobeen Syed's explanation, comes and goes at YouTube, but is currently back again (and better quality):
DrBeen (he is called) explains HCQ mechanism, and Zinc involvement.
Some tips, re his explanations:
mRNA is "messenger RNA"
RdRP is a SARS-2-CoV Coronavirus enzyme that is within the human cell and can be attacked by available Zinc.
Occasionally, the sound seems to stall, but that is DrBeen getting side-tracked by concurrent chat at YouTube, that he was monitoring.
...retrospective studies/data are very common in Medical Research...
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They are, but I’ve personally been shut down, hard, by clinicians when I’ve used them to just ask a question about other issues.
There’s a well-known sneer that seems to always accompany the phrase “meta-analysis”, especially when addressing a civilian. Fauchi has it down to a T.
Fauci seems to stuck on the same sound track. Does he ever look at real cases and recoveries or just models based on maybe’s.
Quercetin is also a zinc ionophore and available OTC.
The zinc is mostly the thing, not the HCQ.
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Not all ionophores are created equal. We also sub quercetin when even a few of the symptoms appear together, but it’s not that bio-available. You need a large dose and it is said to be better taken/compounded with bromelain.
Theres something flawed about Fauci’s brain. He’s a sociopath, IMHO.
I hope that you have had a chance to watch Dr. Mobeen Syed's explanation of the mechanisms (plural) of HCQ, re its use-full-ness in the battle against the SARS-2-CoV Coronavirus.
I had to watch his "DrBeen" explanation of HCQ mechanisms several times, in order to gather his quick English dialect re some of the terminology that he used (egs. mRNA is "messenger RNA").
In the absence of HCQ, and based upon what Dr. Mobeen Syed has explained otherwise (egs. Famotidine), plus some other info (re, of course, vitamins C and D), a combination of Battlefield Expedients:
Famotidine (egs. Pepcid; also under the Equate brand name at Walmart), Zinc (some use Zicam Cold Remedy), vitamin D (some say D3), vitamin C (I am grateful that a variety of fruit is still at the grocery store), exercise, and sleep, plus plenty of fluids (under stress, some people tend to stop drinking refreshment), good personal hygiene, good mask maintenance . . . all operate in a person's favor.
Sorry to be so late getting back on this; I’m taking a quick break from storm prepping at the moment. Here we are in hurricane season now, which will make things interesting. Thanks for the additional information—I really appreciate it! I am familiar with the Frontline Doctor information in the videos, and have posted links at my humble but earnest blog, http://eaglesnesthome.weebly.com/blog/a-reluctant-virus-post.
I must apologize but I seldom watch videos, as I can save time by speedreading transcripts. If you have a link to a transcript, that would be great, and I can take a look at it when I get time.
I am definitely upping my supply of essential vitamins, as well as ensuring I am outdoors enough to take in sunlight—natural vitamin D—without sunscreen. Everyone in my family has been taking a generic form of Emergen-C. If I become symptomatic, I would immediately triple my vitamin C, and try and get a doctor to give me IV C as well as hCQ. As backup, I have a stock of cinchona bark (which is the herbal form of quinine) although I understand it is comparatively weak in effect (as opposed to HCQ). You can buy it from that much maligned online monster store.
I have also not had time to fully research the Pepsid/Proton-pump inhibitors (PPIs), which reduce stomach acid production. I have seen the recommendations for using it as part of Covid-19 treatment. My personal preference would be a natural substitute, due to medication side effects from PPIs. I might try bromelain, which has minimal side effects but can promote healthy digestion, relieve joint pain, and reduce inflammation. Anyway, you’ve posted very helpful information—as always, I would urge all Freepers to consult a doctor they can trust, as each individual has unique needs. I can generally tell if I can trust them by their reaction to this question: “What would you do if your family member needed help with this condition?” I wonder how Dr. Fauci would respond?
Yes, I forgot to mention, definitely check your zinc levels. Zinc is essential, and should be taken (perhaps as a lozenge) at the first sign of a cold/coronovirus—especially Covid-19. If Dr. Fauci truly wants to end this epidemic, he should talk about boosting immunity, at least as much as he talks about masks.
My hubby, who is in a service industry and thus “front line”, was actually taking too much, for someone who does not have the virus. He really wanted to stay well, as we have a medically fragile family member. This also motivates me to try and find the best, most accurate information.
You need a balance, as too little and you will have weakened immune system—but with too much zinc, you also lower your immune system. For whatever it is worth, “According to the Office of Dietary Supplements (ODS, https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/), an excessive intake of zinc can cause zinc toxicity. This toxicity can cause gastrointestinal discomfort and, when chronic, may also disrupt the balance of other chemicals in the body, including copper and iron.”
As far as I can tell, most people are NOT getting enough zinc from their diet. Ask your doctor, but for what it is worth, check out WebMD:https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/supplement-guide-zinc#1. Personally, I am taking near the upper limit daily, and will take much more if I get symptoms of illness (as my body will use more zinc).
My family loves green tea, and I drink several cups every day. I have not tried avocado tea, but we do not like avocados, unfortunately. I am able to tolerate Tumeric (Curcumin), however. It is thought to be good for immunity, and possibly anti-viral. I take it (in capsules) for its anti-inflammatory properties, as it decreases my chronic pain from a back injury. I can tell, in increased pain, if I forget to take it or run out of my supply. Here’s an article about it, which discusses it as a possible anti-viral: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-turmeric-antiviral-properties.html. It would be nice if our health officials, such as Dr. Fauci, would mention a few of these wonder herbs and spices—it may relieve some of the suffering. It seems preferable than just telling sick people to stay home, drink fluids, take Tylenol, and go to the hospital if they can’t breathe!
Mobeen Syed, MD, re vaccine, Dec. 7, 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XN12DGcrug
“DrBeen” actually starts into the meat of his discussion, at 6:20 into the video. It is a long video, but his manner of helping, is, that he explains mechanisms. Required some repeating of portions that I viewed; ymmv.
*At present,* *IMHO,* the vaccine has value ONLY FOR people who are evaluated by their doctor (whom they trust), as having a high risk of a SEVERE COVID-19 experience.
Such as, people whose immune systems might SEVERELY complicate their passage thru having COVID-19.
It is up to each person, and if they wish, the advice of their doctor, to figure that level of their vulnerability to having a severe COVID-19 experience.
IMHO, the vaccine should NOT be forced upon any person; nor should there be coercion (such as the coercion proposed by the travel industry).
I am staying with: Famotidine (Pepcid AC), vitamins, Emergen-C, Zinc (is in vitamins), and sleep.
Tx for your mail. Take care.
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