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Pytheas: Ancient Greek Explorer of Britain, the Arctic Circle & Northern Europe
History Disclosure ^ | February 11, 2016 | History Disclosure Team

Posted on 06/11/2019 10:22:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Pytheas was a contemporary of Aristotle and Alexander the Great. He reached the Arctic Circle in his search for new sources of tin (essential for the making of bronze) and amber (usually sourced from the German coast) around 330 to 325 BC...

As Pytheas continued his journey north along Britain's west coast he came across Ireland and rounded the tip of Scotland. At that point in his journey, he learned of an island situated further north at a distance of six days sailing which he refers to as "Thule" (most probably Iceland).

Geminus of Rhodes (1st century BC) quoting directly the accounts of Pytheas (On the Ocean) provides us with the following interesting description: " The Barbarians showed us the place where the sun sets. For it happened that in these parts the night becomes extremely short, sometimes two, sometimes three hours long, so that the sun rises a short while after sunset."

Pytheas provides a description of the midnight sun a phenomena that only occurs above the Arctic circle "a land where at the solstice the night no longer exists"'. He also refers to the existence of any icy slush which could not be traversed on foot nor by boat".

Pytheas was the first to use the word Brettaniki (BRETTANIKH) to describe Britain; to name Thule and describe the midnight sun. Also during his voyage, he gathered data regarding the astronomical and geographical determinations of the elevations of the sun, the lengths of the days and tides. He also correctly observed that the north star is not true north.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; barrycunliffe; britain; caledonia; fartyshadesofgreen; godsgravesglyphs; iceland; ireland; midnightsun; navigation; pytheas; scotland; scotlandyet; thule
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Barry Cunliffe tells the story of the ancient Greek seafaring explorer Pytheas, and his epic voyage from Marseilles right the way round Britain, in the fourth century BC.

The Story of Pytheas | Oxford Academic (Oxford University Press) | Published on Sep 19, 2017


The Story of Pytheas | Oxford Academic (Oxford University Press) | Published on Sep 19, 2017

1 posted on 06/11/2019 10:22:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith

re: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3600146/posts?page=16#16

https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/c/cassiterides.html

CASSITERIDES (from the Gr. Kaaaimpos, tin, i.e. “ Tinislands”), in ancient geography the name of islands regarded as being situated somewhere near the west coasts of Europe. Herodotus (430 B.C.) had dimly heard of them. Later writers, Posidonius, Diodorus, Strabo and others, call them smallish islands off (Strabo says, some way off) the north-west coast of Spain, which contained tin mines, or, as Strabo says, tin and lead mines - though a passage in Diodorus derives the name rather from their nearness to the tin districts of north-west Spain. While geographical knowledge of the west was still scanty and the secrets of the tin-trade were still successfully guarded by the seamen of Gades and others who dealt in the metal, the Greeks knew only that tin came to them by sea from the far west, and the idea of tin-producing islands easily arose. Later, when the west was better explored, it was found that tin actually came from two regions, north-west Spain and Cornwall. Neither of these could be called “small islands” or described as off the north-west coast of Spain, and so the Cassiterides were not identified with either by the Greek and Roman geographers. Instead, they became a third, ill-understood source of tin, conceived of as distinct from Spain or Britain. Modern writers have perpetuated the error that the Cassiterides were definite spots, and have made many attempts to identify them. Small islands off the coast of north-west Spain, the headlands of that same coast, the Scillies, Cornwall, the British Isles as a whole, have all in turn been suggested. But none suits the conditions. Neither the Spanish islands nor the Scillies contain tin, at least in serious quantities. Neither Britain nor Spain can be called “small islands off the north-west of Spain.” It seems most probable, therefore, that the name Cassiterides represents the first vague knowledge of the Greeks that tin was found overseas somewhere in or off western Europe.


2 posted on 06/11/2019 10:23:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/pytheas/index


3 posted on 06/11/2019 10:24:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

4 posted on 06/11/2019 10:24:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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An unrelated sidebar, perhaps coming soon to an FR topic near you:

5 posted on 06/11/2019 10:26:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

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>> “He also correctly observed that the north star is not true north.” <<

Not a particularly difficult task in the tropics, but damn near impossible in the far north since the polar region is not solid earth, but floating ice.


6 posted on 06/11/2019 10:32:38 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SunkenCiv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas


7 posted on 06/11/2019 10:35:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: editor-surveyor
He did a bang-up job. Too bad his entire original isn't known to have survived, but it's amazing that any source that old has.

8 posted on 06/11/2019 10:46:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It would be MUCH more reasonable to suppose that the Faroe Islands or the Shetland Islands are Thule. Unlike Iceland, they’re relatively North of Great Britain. They’re also much more reasonable to reach in six days.


9 posted on 06/11/2019 10:46:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SunkenCiv

Great article. Thank you.


10 posted on 06/11/2019 10:52:54 AM PDT by Rapscallion (If they are not for Trump, they are against him. Fire them.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I blame the Phoenicians. They controlled the tin trade from Western Europe and they would seed false rumours of what lay beyond the pillars of Hercules to deter anyone else from exploring past that point and endangering their monopoly. “Tin islands” sounds like something they came up with to keep people looking in the wrong place.


11 posted on 06/11/2019 10:54:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SunkenCiv

Pytheas: Ancient Greek Explorer of Britain, the Arctic Circle & Northern Europe...

AND PARTS OF BROOKLYN!!!!


12 posted on 06/11/2019 10:56:54 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Back when seafaring was an existential danger every single day.

No weather reports. No certainty of when you would reach land. No effective medicines. And no comms.

I commend their shear bravery.


13 posted on 06/11/2019 11:03:27 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I do as well. But you pretty much described sea travel up until a century or so ago and the sea is still a cruel mistress.


14 posted on 06/11/2019 11:33:31 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free)
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To: SunkenCiv
There are accounts of St. Brendan of Ireland getting as far as Iceland and beyond 600 years later. About 500 years after Brendan the Vikings made it to America. That makes three possible trips at least as far as Iceland before Columbus which might have been known to have occurred .

Portuguese fishermen had been fishing the grand Banks by the time of Columbus and it is quite likely that they made landfall. In any event there are accounts of bodies of Eskimos or Inuit Indians being observed by these fishermen.

It appears that the ancient world was remarkably advanced. One wonders what might have happened if Islam had not helped precipitate the dark age?


15 posted on 06/11/2019 11:35:57 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

16 posted on 06/11/2019 11:51:41 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hmmm, I guess he didn’t make it to Oak Island.


17 posted on 06/11/2019 12:02:35 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SunkenCiv

bookmark


18 posted on 06/11/2019 12:11:26 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: sparklite2; SunkenCiv
The "Dark Ages" is term that the Rationalists of the "Enlightenment" period made up to describe the Middle Ages, or Medieval period (sometimes called "The Age of Faith")-- an Age that included such luminaries as Marco Polo, Geoffrey Chaucer, Francis Bacon, Thomas Aquinas, Dante, Boccacio, and others. The Rationalists made up this term to arrogantly differentiate themselves from those that came before them, just as the "Enlightenment" is actually a name they gave to their own time.

It is similar to how some modern atheists refer to themselves as "brights" to imply that if you are not an atheist, you are stupid.

19 posted on 06/11/2019 12:46:40 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis

The Dark Ages were also called the
Migration Period. Is history rhyming?


20 posted on 06/11/2019 12:55:17 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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