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Existence of UFO's 'proved beyond reasonable doubt' as expert says earth 'could have been visited'
mirror.co.uk ^ | Rhian Lubin

Posted on 12/24/2017 10:27:39 AM PST by RoosterRedux

The existence of UFOs has "proved beyond reasonable doubt", a former Pentagon official has said.

Luis Elizondo, the former head of a secret US government programme, believes that Earth may well have been visited by alien life via the unidentified aircraft and that there is also proof.

He resigned from the US Department of Defence in October to protest against the excessive secrecy and opposition to the programme he was in charge of.

Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph , he said: "In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. I hate to use the term UFO but that's what were looking at.

"I think it's pretty clear this is not us, and it's not anyone else, so one has to ask the question where they're from."

Mr Elizondo could not comment whether or not his team had examined UFO sightings as it was still classified information.

But he told the newspaper there had been "lots" of sightings.

He ran the Advanced Threat Identification Program, funded with £16.5million, from his office in the Pentagon.

The team identified movements and trends that were not like anything else "in the world".

They also discovered "hotspots" during their investigation, which were often near nuclear facilities and power plants.

(Excerpt) Read more at mirror.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; UFO's
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To: RoosterRedux

The universe is pretty damned big. And pretty damned old.

The fact that something may be wandering around out there should not surprise anyone.

Why do they keep it quiet? How would the major religions react to learning a completely different version of a creation story? My guess is there would be a lot of freaked out Freepers for a while.


141 posted on 12/24/2017 3:01:04 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Gen.Blather
And, what exactly would they want from Earth?

I'm a numbers kind of guy. I agree with those who run with the math on this. Statistically, there is almost certainly a large number of intelligent civilizations "out there". However, also statistically, the number that are currently in their era of interstellar travel is very small. Many are millions of years away from it, many others passed out of existence millions of years ago after enjoying a million years of space exploration. The chances of one of those coming to our particular system, during their interstellar travel period, is probably very low. As for what they would "want from us", I think they would be overjoyed to simply have found another civilization in the vastness of space, defying the odds of ever accomplishing that feat.

The odds of our civilizations being even remotely close enough in structure and composition and sensory abilities to have relevant conversations has to also be rather low. Their Mona Lisa is probably made of temperature-fluctuating methane and is only visible in the infrared spectrum. Their "eyes" are incapable of seeing anything of our Mona Lisa, other than a gray slate of same-temperature canvas and old paint. Their music and other sound-based communication may be only in the 5-15 Hz range, and thus only elephants would be able to hear it. They may communicate by tasting each other's "tongues". Simply flying inside our atmosphere guarantees nothing other than contact. There's much more to overcome to actually have meaningful communication and interaction.

As for the notion that they would defy such incalculable odds to FINALLY find a fellow civilization, only to enslave or exploit it, seems silly. They would literally pass by billions of planets full of every resource imaginable (there are entire planets that are essentially made of diamond), just to mess with the one and only entity (a different civilization) that would likely never to be encountered again? I truly doubt that they'd have anything close to those intentions or desires. (But then again, even without those intentions, the cast differences in our structures ad compositions and needs could easily lead to an encounter that unintentionally and accidentally wipes out one or both sides as well.)

I'm also quite certain that there is life in our own solar system right now (algae and aquatic life under Europa's ice, especially), but it won't be interplanetary any time during the existence of Homo sapiens.

142 posted on 12/24/2017 3:27:43 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: DoughtyOne

Investing in Bitcoin is still trading in currency, and that is always risky. It needs to be accepted more places before it can be a true currency. Until then it’s tulip bulbs.


143 posted on 12/24/2017 3:30:12 PM PST by Tallguy (Twitter short-circuits common sense. Please engage your brain before tweeting.)
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To: Tallguy

Thanks. Makes sense to me.


144 posted on 12/24/2017 5:16:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
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To: Teacher317
Their primary objective--in the script from Adam and Eve being deceived and kicked out of the garden--

is to do satan's bidding to do his best to kick sand in God's eyes as well as he can by trashing, exterminating, causing massive bloodshed and suffering with God's favorite creation as satan's swan song of vengeance.

That's it, really. He's worked millennia for this time and this spew of furry.

The GREAT DECEPTION is merely his strategy for maximizing such.

All the rest is details, chaff.

145 posted on 12/24/2017 8:21:41 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Tallguy

The fantasy that the dollar still has value is largely the only thing making it have any value, isn’t it?


146 posted on 12/24/2017 8:23:03 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: RoosterRedux
DISCLOSURE DAY 3 youtube

This is a pretty good one with a few additional details e.g. more than 3 dozen reports are involved--not clear how many of those will be released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE

Ron Pandolfi is a very serious heavy in the field. He noted that Trump is very pro disclosure and very anti-disinformation.

147 posted on 12/24/2017 9:32:30 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; RoosterRedux; E. Pluribus Unum; Spok; onedoug; Cowboy Bob; BenLurkin; ...
On this youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE

Ron Pandolfi notes there are 38 research reports involved.

Ralph Blumenthal asserts that the recent UFO disclosure article has been the MOST read and watched story the NYT has had for a very long time.

Bigelow site . . . generated a 490 page report--one of 38 reports.

Bigelow's grandparents had a sighting.

A lot of comments in the Washington Post on the story.

UK report: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Air Defence Region: Executive Summary: Scientific & technical memorandum

They have tangible material, objects, components, parts etc. evidently to disclose.

Some new files from Australia and NZ will be coming out.

It is going to get real over the next month.

Ralph Blumenthal's interview on MSNBC is worth watching.

George Knapp's program last night? . . . is worth tracking down and watching.

Materials studied included metal alloys and plastics . . .

Facility also used to study people who claimed to have had contact with the objects that resulted in physical and physiological changes.

They looked at DNA changes, patterns and brain patterns. These people are able to send and receive via their brains.

Linda Moulton Howe . . . Bizmuth, magnesium & zinc--up to 36 layers--Tom Delonge talks about a similar piece . . . may bring that piece out and show it--has many more layers than that.

Ron Pandolfi ran/runs the CIA UFO desk.

'. . . DNA does not invent stories. Gene mapping and advanced single-cell analysis techniques reveal biological truths.'

Look up earthfiles.com's youtube channel recent interview with Burroughs . . . re Kit Greene (sp?).

. . . I have seen the physiological consequences ... an electro-magnetic field of some sort ... led to inflamation and other biomarkers . . . genetic and epigenetic components ... Nolan lab mapping immune systems ... looking for patterns among the UFO related patients . . . all kinds of trauma can be picked up by the immune system--every surgery or bee sting--every flu .... it all is recorded by the immune system . . . 156 mghrtz frequency A radar frequency that pings. It comes from our DNA ...

This thing is unraveling at an incredible rate of speed.

Everybody I've talked to says that there's lots more coming.

148 posted on 12/24/2017 10:19:00 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

Like Rick said to Major Strasse on Nazis invading New York: “When you get there, ask me.”


149 posted on 12/24/2017 10:25:44 PM PST by onedoug
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To: JockoManning

I’ll believe it when I am sitting in the same room with one of them and having a conversation.


150 posted on 12/24/2017 10:26:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: onedoug
That point looks like it is on the much nearer horizon than ever before. We shall see if they keep to the 'next 30 days' timeline, or not.

BTW, I just gleaned some of the screennames I have a preference for from this thread for a one time ping. If you want on or off such a list, please let me know.

151 posted on 12/24/2017 10:28:04 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL. Q has often noted that some folks will not believe unless a UFO orb lands in their lap and castrates them.


152 posted on 12/24/2017 10:56:29 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: RoosterRedux
from:

"The latest Tom De Longe UFO Theory will Be Proven Early Next Year"

From Lazarus Effect Media PODCASTING Published 23 Dec 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkxPZdfRIg

Travis Walton was the real deal {we agree, having met him}

They go over the famous Iran case about minute 12:00.

A smaller object from the UFO went after the Iranian jet ... turned inside the turning arc of the jet ...

Lots of that documentation on that case.

John Burrows and Rendlesham Forest case ... more military personnel saw the UFO over the forest than we realized before.

Burrows and Penniston got really close. Penniston touched it. Colonel Charles Halt--the deputy base commander--has really come forth and stated that this was not a craft we make.

Hudson Valley case . . . utterly inexplicable.

People seeing things as though out of a Spielberg movie.

bit of a slow, pedantic audio interview.

Most people will not have the luxury of time away from paying the rent, buying food etc. to have a chance to panic very greatly.

What do we say about secrecy itself--the unConstitutionality of a lot of it--at least in some respects for so long and so egregiously. We've gone to essentially a situation of gangsters running our world.

The energy issue--their power source is [clearly] better than gasoline. It is something that would revolutionize our world . . .

Will probably revolutionize our world in more ways than we can imagine.

Their decision to keep a lid on it runs into the fact that time does not stand still and lots of things change.

Freedom isn't free. . . . efforts are afoot across the planet to censor the internet.

end of that youtube

153 posted on 12/24/2017 11:10:19 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

>>Everybody I’ve talked to says that there’s lots more coming.

I hope you’re wrong. Proof of the existence of alien-built UFOs means that the Existentialists are right. That the Progressives are right. That Christianity-based Western Civilization is just a medieval construct designed to control the ignorant in times of suffering.


154 posted on 12/25/2017 5:39:49 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Bryanw92
That Christianity-based Western Civilization is just a medieval construct designed to control the ignorant in times of suffering.

Either that...or Christianity is the Truth.

These UFO things are not about alien visitors...they are about the occult and stuff much more dangerous and frightening that worrying about the effect alien visitors would have on Judea-Christian civilization.

BTW, people who have studied the so-called alien abductions and who have worked with abductees know full-well that these aren't aliens.

They are extradimensional, not extraterrestrial.

Demons, not little green men.

155 posted on 12/25/2017 6:06:24 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

>>They are extradimensional, not extraterrestrial.

>>Demons, not little green men.

Extradimensional destroys the sovereignty of God as much as extraterrestrial.

As I stated in my post I hope that the poster is wrong. I believe that any big revelation by the government will be full of the same kind of “science” as climate change or peak oil. It will be circular citations where a gang of “scientists” who already agree peer review each other and cite each other as proof and then the press will breathlessly state the text of the abstract while fully ignoring the actual data and conclusions found in the papers.


156 posted on 12/25/2017 6:26:43 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Bryanw92
Actually, the extradimensional theory fits perfectly within the context provided by the Bible and in fact the Bible helps explain a lot of what is going on.

I understand your concern. I also worry that this stuff is going to scare the living daylights out of a lot of decent and well-meaning people.

It is every bit as scary as the subject of exorcism.

157 posted on 12/25/2017 6:45:33 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Bryanw92
Thinking a little more about your comment, I think you are right in that this stuff will shake our civilization to its very core and will challenge some people's faith.

On the other hand, it will strengthen the faith of some folks.

I have been following this stuff for a long time and it has certainly strengthened mine.

That said, I find it scary as hell.

158 posted on 12/25/2017 6:53:12 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: JockoManning
I repeat; just because you can't identify something doesn't mean it is extraterrestrial.
159 posted on 12/25/2017 6:54:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: Tallguy

So what can you buy with gold and silver at Walmart?


160 posted on 12/25/2017 6:57:46 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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