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How NASA might build its very first warp drive
io9 ^ | November 26, 2013 | George Dvorsky

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 PM PST by EveningStar

A few months ago, physicist Harold White stunned the aeronautics world when he announced that he and his team at NASA had begun work on the development of a faster-than-light warp drive. His proposed design, an ingenious re-imagining of an Alcubierre Drive, may eventually result in an engine that can transport a spacecraft to the nearest star in a matter of weeks — and all without violating Einstein's law of relativity. We contacted White at NASA and asked him to explain how this real life warp drive could actually work.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: aerospace; alcubierredrive; aviation; ftl; haroldgwhite; haroldsonnywhite; haroldwhite; interstellarflight; nasa; stringtheory; warpdrive; xplanets
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To: Star Traveler

Anyone that suggests the “old media” as being more reputable than new media hasn’t been paying attention.


101 posted on 11/30/2013 8:31:32 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: EveningStar

Junk science


102 posted on 11/30/2013 9:07:47 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Flag_This
We might have to rely on the private sector. I expect that Elon Musk, or someone like him, will probably make more progress over the next 5 years than NASA has in the past 30.

103 posted on 11/30/2013 9:42:29 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: jmcenanly

How much subsidies will he ask for?


104 posted on 11/30/2013 9:44:03 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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additional:

Faster Than the Speed of Light?
The New York Times | July 22, 2013 | Danny Hakim
Posted on 11/29/2013 10:58:18 PM by Star Traveler
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3096740/posts


105 posted on 11/30/2013 1:30:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; backwoods-engineer; ...

Thanks EveningStar.


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106 posted on 11/30/2013 1:31:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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Thanks EveningStar.
 
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107 posted on 11/30/2013 1:32:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Speaking of warp drive, now this is why Scotty always
warned Captain Kirk about pushing it too much.


108 posted on 11/30/2013 2:00:48 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun

http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/star-trek-fake-motivational-posters-yes-its-perfec1.jpg


109 posted on 11/30/2013 2:32:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Sherman Logan
Also people traveled all over the world for many centuries without using one bit of fuel. Sailing ships explored and colonized the entire earth.

It is not at all unreasonable to think similar opportunities for propulsion may exist in space.

All that you say is true. I didn't think there was any wind in space. All there is to space is gravitational pull or lack of it. It's nothingness. The MAIN problem is the absolutely unbelievable distances. ONE lousy light year is, written out, 5,878,499,810,000 miles – 1 light year in miles.

Astronomy doesn't even use miles; they use parsecs.
Example: 1 parsec (3.3 light-years). Take the ONE light year and multiply. Distances are just too great. And, according to the astronomers our galaxy is EXPANDING and thus the distances are getting greater.

Google: This list contains all known stars and brown dwarfs at a distance of up to 5 parsecs (16.3 light-years) from the Solar System, ordered by increasing distance. In addition to the Solar System, there are another 55 stellar systems currently known lying within this distance. These systems contain a total of 56 hydrogen-fusing stars (of which 46 are red dwarfs), 14 brown dwarfs, and 4 white dwarfs. Despite the relative proximity of these objects to the Earth, only nine of them have an apparent magnitude less than 6.5, which means only about 13% of these objects can be observed with the naked eye.

Besides the Sun, only three are first-magnitude stars: Alpha Centauri, Sirius, and Procyon. All of these objects are located in the Local Bubble, a region within the Orion–Cygnus Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Bottom line: we do not have the components on earth to travel that far. Our life spans are too short, so we would have to travel hibernating for THOUSANDS of years. Our bodies just don't last that long, even in stasis.

Also bottom line: what we have on earth is what's out there. There are NO other elements but what's on our very generic periodic chart of the elements that you looked at in chemistry class. Just can't be done with what we have and there is nothing different out there in the way of elements.

Scientists have combined frozen, boiled and baked (just kidding on the last one) every known element and any possible combination to get to some kind of "new fuel." The fuels we've used to escape earth and go to the moon were tested and found to be great. But, as was said, the NEAREST stars, totally uninhabitable for us, are too far away for our fuels...and that is all there is in existence. We couldn't build a big enough ship to carry us out there and return to earth.
DISTANCE...that tiny little word.

One lousy little light year is almost 6 trillion miles. Hah, Carl Sagan would have had a field day with that: BILLIONS AND BILLIONS!!

One sci-fi answer was to mind travel. Maybe our minds can go distances where our bodies, ships and supplies cannot.

110 posted on 11/30/2013 6:49:07 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: FredZarguna

Sensible answer.


111 posted on 11/30/2013 6:49:55 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Leaning Right


112 posted on 11/30/2013 9:37:54 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: cloudmountain

Well, technically speaking there is such a thing as solar wind, which can in theory be used to provide low-acceleration propulsion. But IMO it will never make space travel, settlement or commerce practical.

Here’s my point. The basic conundrum of physics is the apparent contradiction between quantum mechanics and relativity. As far as we can tell QM accurately describes how very small things work, and relativity how large things work. But they can’t both be true as they stand because there isn’t enough energy and matter in the observable universe to make the sums come out.

So scientists calmly produce various theories with regard to dark energy and dark matter, which supposedly make up to more the 90% of our universe, even if we can’t see/sense them.

Combine this with one (actually several) of the more popular theories proposed to explain the contradition between QM and relativity, string theory. These theories propose some number of additional dimensions we cannot sense, but which still affect our universe through gravity and possibly other means.

It seems to me that additional dimensions, if they exist, allow for all kinds of potential “loopholes” in the commonly accepted Einsteinian limitations on propulsion and speed limits. If they don’t and dark matter/energy don’e either, then our understnding of physics is severely flawed and better understanding might find other ways to move around the universe.


113 posted on 12/01/2013 11:13:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Pox
Please cite your reference for such an assertion.

First, I don't need a reference, because this fact is easily provable from well known facts (like the expansion of the universe, and the uniformity and isotropy of space.) You can follow the argument, which is quite simple, in Steven Weinberg's The First Three Minutes which, while dated, is still quite solid factually.

It is very easy for a layman to follow.

Second, Google "Observable Universe" "Horizon of Observable Universe" or "Cosmological Horizon" and you will have access to thousands of unique references, and even pictures.

Finally, if all that is unconvincing, just have a look here. UCLA is a reputable institution of higher education.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#FTL

114 posted on 12/01/2013 1:29:10 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna

Okay, the UCLA link is useful, but I’m actually referring to an object that has achieved a velocity greater than c. The mathematics are interesting, but have any observations been made (if possible) to validate the models?

A lot of interesting theories and mathematics and these subjects fascinate me to no end!


115 posted on 12/01/2013 3:01:25 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: EveningStar

Lots of folks would line up to fly a rocket the parts of which were let out to the lowest bidder, but with more than 40 years of experience watching NASA, who the heck would want to ride a warp ship built to a NASA contract?

OS <-— really wants to know!


116 posted on 12/09/2013 5:06:24 PM PST by Old Student (Do NOT make me get out the torches and pitchforks...)
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