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How NASA might build its very first warp drive
io9 ^ | November 26, 2013 | George Dvorsky

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 PM PST by EveningStar

A few months ago, physicist Harold White stunned the aeronautics world when he announced that he and his team at NASA had begun work on the development of a faster-than-light warp drive. His proposed design, an ingenious re-imagining of an Alcubierre Drive, may eventually result in an engine that can transport a spacecraft to the nearest star in a matter of weeks — and all without violating Einstein's law of relativity. We contacted White at NASA and asked him to explain how this real life warp drive could actually work.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: aerospace; alcubierredrive; aviation; ftl; haroldgwhite; haroldsonnywhite; haroldwhite; interstellarflight; nasa; stringtheory; warpdrive; xplanets
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1 posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; A.A. Cunningham; ...
Aviation and Aerospace ping

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If you want added to or removed from this ping list, please contact EveningStar or Paleo Conservative.


2 posted on 11/29/2013 7:25:52 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


3 posted on 11/29/2013 7:28:22 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: EveningStar

ITha would be VERY cool.


4 posted on 11/29/2013 7:29:18 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: EveningStar

5 posted on 11/29/2013 7:30:55 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: EveningStar

I’ve always said that fast and efficient propulsion is the key to space travel.

I have my doubts about warp drive within the next century but I wish them well. Leaps do happen.


6 posted on 11/29/2013 7:30:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EveningStar

If we can figure it out at our relatively primitive level of civilization, what makes anyone think that intelligent beings on other worlds haven’t already done so? Which leads to....


7 posted on 11/29/2013 7:31:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: EveningStar

Where do the dylithium crystals go?


8 posted on 11/29/2013 7:32:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EveningStar

This reads like a hoax-article. I’ll wait for the story to reach some paper like the Washington Times or the New York Times or some other general newspaper like the Tulsa World.

Even the title-line reads like a hoax.


9 posted on 11/29/2013 7:32:23 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: EveningStar

This is just a distraction from NASA’s primary mission of muslim outreach.


10 posted on 11/29/2013 7:32:27 PM PST by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: cripplecreek

The period that elapsed between no aircraft and jet aircraft was about three decades.


11 posted on 11/29/2013 7:32:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: EveningStar

SO when all that space time gets displaced...does it start rippling out like a wake?

And if this creates ripples it space time...what happens when those ripples reach Earth?


12 posted on 11/29/2013 7:34:02 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: EveningStar

There’s just one tiny little problem about space travel...fuel. Minor, detail, I guess.


13 posted on 11/29/2013 7:34:39 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: EveningStar

Unless this somehow benefits Muslims or “underrepresented minorities with a history of repression,” don’t expect any funding in the next three years or so.


14 posted on 11/29/2013 7:35:44 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The story mentions the Chicago pile. In a year they went from a nuclear reaction that produced half a watt to a 4 megawatt reactor.

Technological leaps happen.


15 posted on 11/29/2013 7:38:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
what makes anyone think that intelligent beings on other worlds haven’t already done so? Which leads to...

...Nancy Pelosi is actually an evil alien from outer space.

16 posted on 11/29/2013 7:39:40 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: EveningStar

From Kitty Hawk to Alpha Centauri in a century? Even I know that’s too good to be true!


17 posted on 11/29/2013 7:40:40 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Star Traveler
From the NYT
18 posted on 11/29/2013 7:40:58 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Leaning Right

She’s from Uranus.


19 posted on 11/29/2013 7:41:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EveningStar

Interesting but I’m still waiting for that carburetor that will move a 4,500 lb sedan 100mpg.


20 posted on 11/29/2013 7:43:42 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: BenLurkin

If I understand correctly he’s saying that the expansion/contraction of space could be much smaller than they once believed.

Instead of the mass energy of Jupiter, White believes it can be done with something the mass energy of the Voyager spacecraft. I think it would be a pretty local phenomena.


21 posted on 11/29/2013 7:44:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EveningStar
"I suddenly realized that if you made the thickness of the negative vacuum energy ring larger — like shifting from a belt shape to a donut shape — and oscillate the warp bubble, you can greatly reduce the energy required..."

Of Course! Now why didn't I think of that??? lol

22 posted on 11/29/2013 7:45:14 PM PST by Errant
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To: EveningStar

There’s a reason to read these kinds of stories from a mainline paper and NOT some sensationalist article on an unknown website ... For instance ...

The New York Times says ... “The team is trying to determine whether faster-than-light travel — warp drive — might someday be possible.”

That “sensationalist article” says ... “A few months ago, physicist Harold White stunned the aeronautics world when he announced that he and his team at NASA had begun work on the development of a faster-than-light warp drive.”

Even though a lot of people don’t like the New York Times, at least they make MORE SENSE in their articles and they are not making the wild claims that these “sensationalist” articles make ... LOL ...


23 posted on 11/29/2013 7:47:37 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: LibWhacker
Maybe NASA is getting help.....

;^)

24 posted on 11/29/2013 7:48:51 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Army Air Corps

These warp-drive ideas are find and dandy, but what happens to the vehicle when matter is present in the path of motion? How is the matter moved around or shoved aside to allow the vehicle passage? Any matter ranging from hydrogen molecules to bits of dust to rocks and asteroids - it’s out there and it will have to be dealt with ...


25 posted on 11/29/2013 7:49:20 PM PST by Ken522
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To: Star Traveler
This reads like a hoax-article.

I would think that someone called 'Star Traveler' would be more up on this stuff.

This story's been around a while now. I assure you, these folks are serious about what they're doing.

26 posted on 11/29/2013 7:50:14 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: driftdiver

LOL

Only Scotty knows.


27 posted on 11/29/2013 7:51:07 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Flag_This

I think they made a basket to catch all the heads they were loping off.


28 posted on 11/29/2013 7:52:41 PM PST by mcshot ("What's right is right" and we're being sunk by wrong .)
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To: Star Traveler

How about this one?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936_2011016932.pdf


29 posted on 11/29/2013 7:53:50 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Windflier

Yep.

io9 has a lot of speculative stuff on it, but generally a solid read.


30 posted on 11/29/2013 7:54:55 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: EveningStar

http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/team/harold-white/

31 posted on 11/29/2013 7:55:08 PM PST by Errant
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To: EveningStar

Since that article is a more rational article, I put it up ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3096740/posts


32 posted on 11/29/2013 7:59:46 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If we can figure it out at our relatively primitive level of civilization, what makes anyone think that intelligent beings on other worlds haven’t already done so? Which leads to....

We take the warp drives out of the spaceships in Area 51, put them in our ship and walla problem solved.

33 posted on 11/29/2013 8:00:05 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I put up a more rational and sensible article that someone already referred to. People would be better served reading that one ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3096740/posts


34 posted on 11/29/2013 8:01:28 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: EveningStar

Yet we STILL don’t have flying cars.


35 posted on 11/29/2013 8:01:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: cripplecreek

Forgive the ignorance, but how does space (nothing) expand/contract?


36 posted on 11/29/2013 8:03:35 PM PST by NullPointerException
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To: EveningStar
We have strong evidence that this will not work.

No one has ever visited us from the future.

37 posted on 11/29/2013 8:03:54 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If we can figure it out at our relatively primitive level of civilization,...”

Relative to what?


38 posted on 11/29/2013 8:04:00 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: LibWhacker

First: “The period that elapsed between no aircraft and jet aircraft was about three decades.”

Then: “From Kitty Hawk to Alpha Centauri in a century?”

Did we loose a decade somewhere in there?

Kitty Hawk 1903
First Jet to fly... 1939, closer to 4 decades that three.
Alpha Centauri in 2013...Not yet, 110 years later.

(OK, my nit picking is done for the day.)


39 posted on 11/29/2013 8:04:48 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: EveningStar
I like to see articles like this ..gives me a bit of faith real people will straighten out the mess the fools in government have made
40 posted on 11/29/2013 8:06:14 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: MichaelCorleone; 2ndDivisionVet

Ummmmm ... relative to his vivid imagination, doncha know ... :-) ...


41 posted on 11/29/2013 8:10:17 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: NullPointerException
It's nothing, but its geometry has to obey certain laws.

A decent analogy (which, like all analogies has its problems) is the surface of the earth. To a very primitive person, there appears to be no limitation in the way you can travel around on its apparently flat surface. But the real truth is that you are limited to travel only along pieces of arcs of great circles [with the radius of the earth as their radius.] This becomes apparent if you have very good measuring equipment: after going only a few miles on an apparently flat plane you discover you've gone farther than a straight line would.

42 posted on 11/29/2013 8:10:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna
No one has ever visited us from the future.

They're real careful going about it, after all they're from the future :)

43 posted on 11/29/2013 8:11:28 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Ken522

Very important point. Deflector shields and all that. Such details are exceptionally important.


44 posted on 11/29/2013 8:12:04 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: EveningStar

Make it so.


45 posted on 11/29/2013 8:16:31 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: EveningStar
That's a significant change in calculations to say the least. The reduction in mass from a Jupiter-sized planet to an object that weighs a mere 1,600 pounds has completely reset White's sense of plausibility — and NASA's.

While this is a unimaginable improvement in the prospects of interstellar travel let’s not get too excited.

After all we are still talking about an expenditure of unprecedented amounts of energy.

The Hiroshima bomb converted 2/3 of a gram of mass to energy so I don’t see the advent of this kind of travel in my life time.

46 posted on 11/29/2013 8:17:07 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Star Traveler

Fair enough. :)


47 posted on 11/29/2013 8:17:17 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: driftdiver

“Where do the dylithium crystals go?”

In the flux capacitor.


48 posted on 11/29/2013 8:17:20 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: cloudmountain

“There’s just one tiny little problem about space travel...fuel.”

Star light. I consulted with the Messiah.


49 posted on 11/29/2013 8:17:24 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Starstruck
"We take the warp drives out of the spaceships in Area 51, put them in our ship and walla problem solved."

And VOILA', problem solved...;-)

50 posted on 11/29/2013 8:18:55 PM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Nothing does more damage to the left than an honest election.")
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