Skip to comments.Is An Alien Message Embedded In Our Genetic Code?
Posted on 04/02/2013 6:57:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
Vladimir I. shCherbak of al-Farabi Kazakh National University of Kazakhstan, and Maxim A. Makukov of the Fesenkov Astrophysical Institute, hypothesize that an intelligent signal embedded in our genetic code would be a mathematical and semantic message that cannot be accounted for by Darwinian evolution. They call it biological SETI. Whats more, they argue that the scheme has much greater longevity and chance of detecting E.T. than a transient extraterrestrial radio transmission.
Writing in the journal Icarus, they assert: Once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature...."
To pass the designer label test, any patterns in the genetic code must be highly statistically significant and possess intelligent-like features that are inconsistent with any natural know process, say the authors.
They go on to argue that their detailed analysis that the human genome (map here) displays a thorough precision-type orderliness in the mapping between DNAs nucleotides and amino acids. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of symbolic language. They say this includes the use of decimal notation, logical transformations, and the use of the abstract symbol of zero. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing, they assert.
We know so little about the origin of life on Earth it seems presumptive to identify genetic structure that supposedly defies a natural explanation. Even the discovery of life elsewhere in the solar system would not provide an independent test of this idea. Panspermia could have naturally occurred among the planets and moons.
And, even if the genetic code is ultimately considered the handprint of an extraterrestrial grand designer, then who designed the designer?
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Is this why I drink so much damn Ovaltine?
I’m thinking yeah...
I’m still trying to decode the message! Didn’t get my secret decoder ring.
Well if the code is “take me to your leader, we’re screwed”!
Molecular Visualizations of DNA
Drew Berry - Astonishing Molecular Machines
It says (c) Before Time God. All rights reserved.
The Holy One will speak to you...and the unholy one will tell you lies.
This is the very definition of an intelligent design hypothesis.
With one prominent illegal alien excepted, I still vote for God as Creator.
There is a God code written in all of us...
I believe this was the subject of a Star Trek episode.
“SEND MORE CHUCK BERRY.”
“Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing”
Yes, this is absolutely correct. Our DNA is a complex information system, and such systems only appear by design. There are self-organizing phenomena in nature, but nothing that can produce the analytical structures, data systems, algorithms, etc, which all must be part of our DNA in order for it to perform what it does.
Furthermore, even though we humans believe that we “invented” computing, and have refined it for over a century into a science, we still can’t hope to understand the complexities of the DNA code, even though it is not encrypted, but plain for us to read and study. It’s simply beyond our capacity to understand, at this point in our knowledge of computing, and therefore, it stands to reason that it could only be designed by a being with greater intelligence or knowledge than we possess.
Now, this man may want to attribute those facts to an extraterrestrial origin, but all of the same facts also support the thesis of a supernatural creation. Even if you assume the extraterrestrial thesis to be more reasonable, you would just be kicking the can down the road, because it would lead to the question: “Who designed the ET’s genetic code?”
Well, the same is true for any irrational number, and there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between any two rational numbers. The exceptional thing about our DNA, though, is not that it contains information, but that it contains systematically organized information structures. The decimal form of an irrational number, though, doesn’t provide much if any useable information, much less anything like the purposeful structuring of a DNA code. The infinite decimals are simply an artifact of performing a mathematical operation in a number system unable to render the result with precision. If we use fractions, they all vanish into thin air :)
I always felt that there being four letters in the name of God, and four letters in the genetic “alphabet” was no coincidence.
That was the plot of one of the Star Trek Movies.
Yes, and this massively sophisticated molecular machinery simply arose spontaneously after bombarding mud puddles with lightening for a few hundred million years.
Just like a Panasonic CF-53 laptop computer with Windows 7 would arise spontaneously if we filled a beaker full of the elemental powders from which it is formed, put some sea water in,and then bombarded the laptop soup in the beaker with lightening for a few hundred million years. Or maybe, we initially only get a chip to form in the beaker and the chip eventually EVOLVED all by itself into the laptop (with operating system) after being bombarded by cosmic rays for a long time.
That’s the plot from and old Star Trek TNG episode.
Star Trek TNG actually. Picard manages to retrieve and decode the message.
Yep.... Seriously... a person has to be a complete idiot not to recognize intelligent design.
“On a related note, Prometheus was such a disappointment. It held so much promise only to fall apart. And I had been really looking forward to it as well! “
Prometheus could have been/should have been mind-blowingly fantastic. Instead, it was little more than a pathetic, hackneyed, shoot-em-up replay of the original Alien script, not even really a prequel.
Prometheus was a complete failure from an intellectual or philosophical point of view.
introns are the comments of the genetic code.
I remember a Science Fiction story with this theme. Not only were the protagonists able to determine that human DNA contained a coded message, they also discovered that the message had already been delivered.
“It’s the fifth day, and I’m bored.”
I hear ya but I disagree. There is a Star Trek continuity. It’s pretty consistent and holds together.
What I think is a travesty is the last Star Trek movie where they went back to the early days of Kirk at the Academy and they just changed the future. And wiped out the entire continuity. It was just wrong.
The young Kirk movie was a travesty.
(Do like the new Uhura though...)
I bought that years ago when I was in grad school, and in line with a lot of critiques, I think, I found it really shook up my thinking, even if I wasn’t willing to go the whole way with his thesis. I was particularly impressed with his discussion of hearing voices, and his assertion of how common it was. This led me to make certain inquiries, as he more or less suggested IIRC, and it was as he said. So you know, if you hear a kid say, “The puppy said ‘Hi’ !”, ... believe it.
I can’t find it right now, of course ... “Maybe I loaned it to somebody.”
It is actually an open problem whether every finite sequence of digits occurs in the decimal expansion of pi (and likewise open for expansions in any other base).
But it is most assuredly not the case that all irrational numbers have every sequence of digits, for instance the number with decimal expansion
there being n 4’s between the n-th 5 and the (n+1)-st 5 is irrational, but only contains a very restricted set of finite digit sequences — in particular having only 4’s and 5’s as digits, but even more restricted than that: any sequence with a single 5 and any number of 4’s before and after will occur, but once two 5’s occur (necessarily non-adjacent) the first can be preceded by at most one fewer 4’s than occur between the left-most 5 and the next 5, the number of 4’s between successive 5’s must increase by one and the number of 4’s after the right-most 5 must be at most one more than the number of 4’s between the two right-most 5’s.
Actually, like my example, pi is a very tame irrational number: though less obviously so than for my example, its decimal expansion can, in principle, be generated by running an algorithm. Like the rational numbers, the set of real numbers, both rational and irrational, whose decimal (or binary or base b) expansion can be generated by an algorithm is countable, so there are uncountably many “non-algorithmic” irrationals (my favorite being the “oracular number for FORTRAN”, defined by listing all valid FORTRAN programs ordered by total number of symbols and within each number in lexicographic order by the standard ordering on ASCII symbols, the i-th digit right of the binary point is 1 if the i-th program would halt in finite time when run on an machine with infinite memory, and 0 otherwise). That, and its friends, other binary, decimal and base b oracular numbers for various and sundry ways of describing algorithms, are some of the very few non-algorithmic irrationals one can describe at all.
I assume you are alluding to CONTINUED fractions? Many irrationals have a simple repetitive continued fraction representation, and even 'e' has a regular pattern, even though it doesn't actually repeat. And of course any finite continued fraction is a simple fraction, and can be represented by a repeating decimal.
What is this? Gizmo Republic ????
That means “time to clean the litter box”.
“I assume you are alluding to CONTINUED fractions?”
Well, yeah I wasn’t really clear on that point, maybe I should have left it off. What I meant, in terms of Pi, is that it looks irrational written as a decimal, but in fact, the only reason it is a significant number to us is because it’s the decimal approximation of a ratio. That ratio isn’t one between two whole numbers, that might produce a repeating fraction, but between two related geometric quantities.
So, if one theoretically constructed a number system using some geometric base rather than our arithmetic one, Pi would be completely rational, and could be approximated exactly. So, I think it’s all a matter of perspective.
“But it is most assuredly not the case that all irrational numbers have every sequence of digits, for instance the number with decimal expansion”
Yes, I stand corrected, you are right. However, since there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between any two whole numbers, or between any two numbers of any kind, for that matter, then it’s obvious that there are still an infinite amount of irrational numbers that DO contain any possible sequence of numbers. By their very nature, it wouldn’t be anything extraordinary at all to find such a thing to be true about any number you random picked.
Whether you can mathematically prove that or not is another matter, but I think it’s a foregone conclusion logically, which is why mathematicians bother to try to prove it in the first place. It’s intuitively true, so someone must find the proof someday, or so it would seem.
Hard to say, but I notice I do approach a great many strangers and say, “Take me to your leader.”
I don’t know why.
Someone was goofin’ around. We ain’t half bad, and more than good- giving any circumstances. Rejoice or lament. Be an ape cousin or a higher being. Your choice for the time being.
If the original system is lost or otherwise no longer available or even once write, self destruct system, then the encrypted message can never be read.
Perhaps the encrypted message asks the “Question That Can Never Be Asked.”
“12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country”
I can’t say I disagree, at least in principal. If the players in Washington took a moment to reveal their true nature, I think we’d all see we have lizard people running our country.
Well... they say God acts in mysterious ways. I think the Bible even says that God started off with mud.
I don't think that was their goal.