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Is An Alien Message Embedded In Our Genetic Code?
discovery.com ^ | Apr 1, 2013 11:27 AM ET // by | Ray Villard

Posted on 04/02/2013 6:57:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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1 posted on 04/02/2013 6:57:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Is this why I drink so much damn Ovaltine?


2 posted on 04/02/2013 6:59:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m thinking yeah...


3 posted on 04/02/2013 7:02:39 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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4 posted on 04/02/2013 7:02:47 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m still trying to decode the message! Didn’t get my secret decoder ring.


5 posted on 04/02/2013 7:05:34 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: BenLurkin

Well if the code is “take me to your leader, we’re screwed”!


6 posted on 04/02/2013 7:05:57 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
If we are going down this branch of the Bible Code rode, Π contains every possible numerical sequence in the universe, so whatever code is embedded in DNA is embedded in Π.
7 posted on 04/02/2013 7:06:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: BenLurkin
Panspermia could have naturally occurred among the planets and moons.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 7:06:55 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: BenLurkin

Related videos.

Molecular Visualizations of DNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPcT1uUZiE

Drew Berry - Astonishing Molecular Machines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMPXu6GF18M


9 posted on 04/02/2013 7:07:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: BenLurkin

It says (c) Before Time God. All rights reserved.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 7:11:29 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: BenLurkin
On a related note, Prometheus was such a disappointment. It held so much promise only to fall apart. And I had been really looking forward to it as well!
11 posted on 04/02/2013 7:14:12 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: BenLurkin
Read "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" and, beyond that, if any of you are Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, or just confused...ask the Voice which speaks to you, Who are You?

The Holy One will speak to you...and the unholy one will tell you lies.

12 posted on 04/02/2013 7:17:44 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: BenLurkin

This is the very definition of an intelligent design hypothesis.


13 posted on 04/02/2013 7:21:07 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: BenLurkin

With one prominent illegal alien excepted, I still vote for God as Creator.


14 posted on 04/02/2013 7:25:54 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: BenLurkin

There is a God code written in all of us...


15 posted on 04/02/2013 7:28:54 PM PDT by Buddygirl (Trust but verify. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: BenLurkin

I believe this was the subject of a Star Trek episode.


16 posted on 04/02/2013 7:32:21 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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17 posted on 04/02/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BenLurkin

“SEND MORE CHUCK BERRY.”


18 posted on 04/02/2013 7:35:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

“Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing”

Yes, this is absolutely correct. Our DNA is a complex information system, and such systems only appear by design. There are self-organizing phenomena in nature, but nothing that can produce the analytical structures, data systems, algorithms, etc, which all must be part of our DNA in order for it to perform what it does.

Furthermore, even though we humans believe that we “invented” computing, and have refined it for over a century into a science, we still can’t hope to understand the complexities of the DNA code, even though it is not encrypted, but plain for us to read and study. It’s simply beyond our capacity to understand, at this point in our knowledge of computing, and therefore, it stands to reason that it could only be designed by a being with greater intelligence or knowledge than we possess.

Now, this man may want to attribute those facts to an extraterrestrial origin, but all of the same facts also support the thesis of a supernatural creation. Even if you assume the extraterrestrial thesis to be more reasonable, you would just be kicking the can down the road, because it would lead to the question: “Who designed the ET’s genetic code?”


19 posted on 04/02/2013 7:37:29 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BenLurkin

20 posted on 04/02/2013 7:37:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, the same is true for any irrational number, and there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between any two rational numbers. The exceptional thing about our DNA, though, is not that it contains information, but that it contains systematically organized information structures. The decimal form of an irrational number, though, doesn’t provide much if any useable information, much less anything like the purposeful structuring of a DNA code. The infinite decimals are simply an artifact of performing a mathematical operation in a number system unable to render the result with precision. If we use fractions, they all vanish into thin air :)


21 posted on 04/02/2013 7:43:50 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Buddygirl

I always felt that there being four letters in the name of God, and four letters in the genetic “alphabet” was no coincidence.


22 posted on 04/02/2013 7:45:31 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RoosterRedux

Very interesting!


23 posted on 04/02/2013 7:47:40 PM PDT by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: BenLurkin

That was the plot of one of the Star Trek Movies.


24 posted on 04/02/2013 7:49:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, and this massively sophisticated molecular machinery simply arose spontaneously after bombarding mud puddles with lightening for a few hundred million years.

Just like a Panasonic CF-53 laptop computer with Windows 7 would arise spontaneously if we filled a beaker full of the elemental powders from which it is formed, put some sea water in,and then bombarded the laptop soup in the beaker with lightening for a few hundred million years. Or maybe, we initially only get a chip to form in the beaker and the chip eventually EVOLVED all by itself into the laptop (with operating system) after being bombarded by cosmic rays for a long time.

Right?


25 posted on 04/02/2013 7:50:09 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: BenLurkin

That’s the plot from and old Star Trek TNG episode.


26 posted on 04/02/2013 7:55:09 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: DManA

Star Trek TNG actually. Picard manages to retrieve and decode the message.


27 posted on 04/02/2013 7:58:14 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: catnipman

Yep.... Seriously... a person has to be a complete idiot not to recognize intelligent design.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 8:00:49 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Drew68

“On a related note, Prometheus was such a disappointment. It held so much promise only to fall apart. And I had been really looking forward to it as well! “

Prometheus could have been/should have been mind-blowingly fantastic. Instead, it was little more than a pathetic, hackneyed, shoot-em-up replay of the original Alien script, not even really a prequel.

Prometheus was a complete failure from an intellectual or philosophical point of view.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 8:12:12 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: BenLurkin

introns are the comments of the genetic code.


30 posted on 04/02/2013 8:30:21 PM PDT by stig
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To: DManA; Moonman62
Sorry but TNG is not "Star Trek".
31 posted on 04/02/2013 8:43:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: piytar

Exactly.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 8:48:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

I remember a Science Fiction story with this theme. Not only were the protagonists able to determine that human DNA contained a coded message, they also discovered that the message had already been delivered.


33 posted on 04/02/2013 8:54:49 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: BenLurkin

“It’s the fifth day, and I’m bored.”


34 posted on 04/02/2013 8:58:29 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: BenLurkin

I hear ya but I disagree. There is a Star Trek continuity. It’s pretty consistent and holds together.

What I think is a travesty is the last Star Trek movie where they went back to the early days of Kirk at the Academy and they just changed the future. And wiped out the entire continuity. It was just wrong.


35 posted on 04/02/2013 9:04:46 PM PDT by DManA
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The young Kirk movie was a travesty.

(Do like the new Uhura though...)


36 posted on 04/02/2013 9:29:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: RoosterRedux

I bought that years ago when I was in grad school, and in line with a lot of critiques, I think, I found it really shook up my thinking, even if I wasn’t willing to go the whole way with his thesis. I was particularly impressed with his discussion of hearing voices, and his assertion of how common it was. This led me to make certain inquiries, as he more or less suggested IIRC, and it was as he said. So you know, if you hear a kid say, “The puppy said ‘Hi’ !”, ... believe it.

I can’t find it right now, of course ... “Maybe I loaned it to somebody.”


37 posted on 04/02/2013 9:33:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Boogieman; E. Pluribus Unum

It is actually an open problem whether every finite sequence of digits occurs in the decimal expansion of pi (and likewise open for expansions in any other base).

But it is most assuredly not the case that all irrational numbers have every sequence of digits, for instance the number with decimal expansion

.54544544454444544444....

there being n 4’s between the n-th 5 and the (n+1)-st 5 is irrational, but only contains a very restricted set of finite digit sequences — in particular having only 4’s and 5’s as digits, but even more restricted than that: any sequence with a single 5 and any number of 4’s before and after will occur, but once two 5’s occur (necessarily non-adjacent) the first can be preceded by at most one fewer 4’s than occur between the left-most 5 and the next 5, the number of 4’s between successive 5’s must increase by one and the number of 4’s after the right-most 5 must be at most one more than the number of 4’s between the two right-most 5’s.

Actually, like my example, pi is a very tame irrational number: though less obviously so than for my example, its decimal expansion can, in principle, be generated by running an algorithm. Like the rational numbers, the set of real numbers, both rational and irrational, whose decimal (or binary or base b) expansion can be generated by an algorithm is countable, so there are uncountably many “non-algorithmic” irrationals (my favorite being the “oracular number for FORTRAN”, defined by listing all valid FORTRAN programs ordered by total number of symbols and within each number in lexicographic order by the standard ordering on ASCII symbols, the i-th digit right of the binary point is 1 if the i-th program would halt in finite time when run on an machine with infinite memory, and 0 otherwise). That, and its friends, other binary, decimal and base b oracular numbers for various and sundry ways of describing algorithms, are some of the very few non-algorithmic irrationals one can describe at all.


38 posted on 04/02/2013 9:35:44 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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42... the answers 42.....
39 posted on 04/02/2013 9:52:42 PM PDT by unread
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The infinite decimals are simply an artifact of performing a mathematical operation in a number system unable to render the result with precision. If we use fractions, they all vanish into thin air :)

I assume you are alluding to CONTINUED fractions? Many irrationals have a simple repetitive continued fraction representation, and even 'e' has a regular pattern, even though it doesn't actually repeat. And of course any finite continued fraction is a simple fraction, and can be represented by a repeating decimal.

40 posted on 04/02/2013 9:57:33 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: The_Reader_David

What is this? Gizmo Republic ????


41 posted on 04/02/2013 10:03:23 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: BenLurkin

CATCACAGAG
GAGCACACAT
CACAGAGCAT

That means “time to clean the litter box”.


42 posted on 04/02/2013 10:18:36 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: dr_lew

“I assume you are alluding to CONTINUED fractions?”

Well, yeah I wasn’t really clear on that point, maybe I should have left it off. What I meant, in terms of Pi, is that it looks irrational written as a decimal, but in fact, the only reason it is a significant number to us is because it’s the decimal approximation of a ratio. That ratio isn’t one between two whole numbers, that might produce a repeating fraction, but between two related geometric quantities.

So, if one theoretically constructed a number system using some geometric base rather than our arithmetic one, Pi would be completely rational, and could be approximated exactly. So, I think it’s all a matter of perspective.


43 posted on 04/02/2013 10:35:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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“But it is most assuredly not the case that all irrational numbers have every sequence of digits, for instance the number with decimal expansion”

Yes, I stand corrected, you are right. However, since there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between any two whole numbers, or between any two numbers of any kind, for that matter, then it’s obvious that there are still an infinite amount of irrational numbers that DO contain any possible sequence of numbers. By their very nature, it wouldn’t be anything extraordinary at all to find such a thing to be true about any number you random picked.

Whether you can mathematically prove that or not is another matter, but I think it’s a foregone conclusion logically, which is why mathematicians bother to try to prove it in the first place. It’s intuitively true, so someone must find the proof someday, or so it would seem.


44 posted on 04/02/2013 10:41:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BenLurkin

Hard to say, but I notice I do approach a great many strangers and say, “Take me to your leader.”

I don’t know why.


45 posted on 04/03/2013 1:54:53 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: BenLurkin

Someone was goofin’ around. We ain’t half bad, and more than good- giving any circumstances. Rejoice or lament. Be an ape cousin or a higher being. Your choice for the time being.


46 posted on 04/03/2013 2:11:49 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: BenLurkin
Maybe it is like some high level codes: It can be read plainly with one message, but is actually encrypted, and the real message can only be read by using the key. In some cases, the key is embedded in the original system used to produce the code itself and not available to discovery independently.

If the original system is lost or otherwise no longer available or even once write, self destruct system, then the encrypted message can never be read.

Perhaps the encrypted message asks the “Question That Can Never Be Asked.”

47 posted on 04/03/2013 4:12:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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“12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country”

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/#.UVszdJPPmDQ.reddit

I can’t say I disagree, at least in principal. If the players in Washington took a moment to reveal their true nature, I think we’d all see we have lizard people running our country.


48 posted on 04/03/2013 6:29:08 AM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: catnipman

Well... they say God acts in mysterious ways. I think the Bible even says that God started off with mud.


49 posted on 04/03/2013 8:02:24 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: catnipman
Prometheus was a complete failure from an intellectual or philosophical point of view.

I don't think that was their goal.

50 posted on 04/03/2013 8:10:22 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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