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NFL "Black Monday" thread - Reid, Crennel already gone

Posted on 12/31/2012 7:04:56 AM PST by Perdogg

Andy Reid and Romeo Crennel already have been fired. Rex Ryan to keep his job


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KEYWORDS: nfl; romoshomos; vanity
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/cardinals-fire-coach-whisenhunt-gm-graves-in-bidwill-housecleaning/2012/12/31/8e08f5c8-537d-11e2-abc4-3d33329b6128_story.html

[snip] The Arizona Cardinals have fired coach Ken Whisenhunt after six seasons that included the long-suffering franchise’s only Super Bowl appearance. The team also ousted general manager Rod Graves, who had been with the franchise for 16 years. He’d been general manager since 2007... The housecleaning by Cardinals President Michael Bidwill, son of team owner Bill Bidwill, followed a season that saw the team start 4-0 but lose 11 of its last 12 to finish 5-11. [/snip]


141 posted on 12/31/2012 12:43:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: discostu

Tanabaum does not make the decision of who to put in a game or who
not to put in a game. If u think Sanchez timing was off because Ryan
chose to play Tebow in a wildcat formation, that’s a coaching decision.
I.e Rex Ryan’s decision.
You could be right that it affected Sanchez timing.
Another reason Ryan should have been fired.
When the Jets sign another quarterback in the draft, will that be a distraction
for Sanchez too?
Ryan has run out of excuses. He should have been fired.


142 posted on 12/31/2012 12:44:12 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

Tannenbaum is the guy that decides to trade away 2 draft picks for a QB with a sub 50 completion percentage that the head coach publicly stated he didn’t want.

IF the Jets sign another QB in the off season it will be to replace Sanchez, whom Tannenbaum gave a big raise to, not to supplement him like when they picked up Tebow.

Tannenbaum’s firing happened for 2 reasons: 1 gave a big fat raise to a mediocre QB, traded away 2 draft picks for an even WORSE QB to add to the roster. Tannenbaum GAVE Ryan excuses by saddling him with 2 bad QBs one of which Ryan didn’t want.


143 posted on 12/31/2012 12:55:06 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: darkangel82

No, it’s because we started the season 7-1 and failed to adjust to injuries and poor play calling for the next 8 games.


144 posted on 12/31/2012 1:04:05 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: discostu

Now you are changing your argument. First u said Tebow running
the Wildcat may have affected Sanchez’s timing. And u may be right
about that. But the decision to put Tebow in games was a coaching
decision. Which is why Ryan should go as well.
Tebow will be gone soon. Who will u blame next when the future Jets
are just as bad as the current one’s


145 posted on 12/31/2012 1:04:08 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: discostu

Always wonder about firing the GM. While he is responsible for the personnel in the organization, those decisions are not made in a vacuum.


146 posted on 12/31/2012 1:07:12 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I had thought about that, but believe that the lack of protection will change the styles of the players. Despite being a fullback on the pitch, I would not tackle football style, as I did as a safety.


147 posted on 12/31/2012 1:22:33 PM PST by Loud Mime (Conservatives refused to unite; now we pay the price!)
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To: tennmountainman

What should Ryan do? The GM, his BOSS, went out of his way to saddle him with a QB controversy. He gave Sanchez a raise and extension AND traded away 2 draft pick to bring in another QB. If Ryan doesn’t use Sanchez he’s wasting the money they’re paying him, if he doesn’t use Tebow he’s wasting the draft picks they used to get him. Also keep in mind Tannenbaum went and hired as offensive coordinator the guy that brought the wildcat to the NFL. Clearly Tannenbaum, Ryan’s boss, WANTED a 2 QB wildcat system. So that’s what Ryan did, and it failed. Tannenbaum’s plan failed, Tannenbaum gets fired.

If they stink next year Ryan gets fired. Because next year they’ll be running Ryan’s plan and if it fails out he goes. Though keep in mind that his plan got them to 2 AFC championship games in the past, so it might not fail.


148 posted on 12/31/2012 1:23:12 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re right. But I think remote controls have sold more.


149 posted on 12/31/2012 1:26:23 PM PST by Loud Mime (Conservatives refused to unite; now we pay the price!)
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To: Delta Dawn

A lot of it depends on the situation. Like in NYJ the GM clearly went against what the coach wanted. In San Diego Smith’s had a pretty long record of failure. The only good QB the Cards have had under Grove was Warner, and he was a backup on his way out of the league when they grabbed him to mentor Leinart who stank.


150 posted on 12/31/2012 1:27:13 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: tennmountainman

I guess that ‘butt’ fumble was because Tebow threw Sanchez’s timing off.

The funny thing of the Jets situation is that Sanchez was given the chance to play and proved without a doubt that he is not up to standards as an NFL quarterback. Yet, everyone still claims that Tebow can’t play with no evidence to back it up.

The reason that Tebow did not get the start yesterday is that the Jets could not allow Tebow to win a game as quarterback and prove his critics wrong.

Rex should have been fired. At this time next year the speculation will be if the Jets will fire Ryan after not reaching the playoffs again.


151 posted on 12/31/2012 1:29:46 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: discostu

I’m aware of that. But it seems odd that you can be penalized now in the NFL regarding an event that never happened.


152 posted on 12/31/2012 1:52:35 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Perdogg

Jim Schwartz needs to go as well, no way should a team with one of the best quarterbacks in the league finish 4-12 like the Lions did.


153 posted on 12/31/2012 1:55:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: TomGuy

The traditional big four bowls were the Rose, Cotton, Sugar, and Orange. Fiesta is a latecomer. In 1965 the bowl games were as follows:

Rose
Cotton
Sugar
Orange
Sun
Gator
Bluebonnet
Liberty
Tangerine

Bowl games were a marketing tool designed to get people in ice bound locales to travel to a sun belt city for a weekend of football and revelry. Fruits and vegetables were popular names because the sponsors were local and they were trying to sell local commodities. Once TV took over and domed stadiums appeared, the whole thing got out of hand. TV meant that revenue wasn’t tied up in the seats anymore and the name became a valuable commodity in and of itself. Notice that its hard to catch a view of the stands during these early bowl games. ESPN and the sponsors don’t want people to know that the stands are empty. That dynamic changes as we now turn to the big bowl games.


154 posted on 12/31/2012 1:57:35 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Delta Dawn

These Tebow hater Jets fans will soon realize, after Tebow is gone, they
still have a loser organization. They won’t have anyone to blame next year.
What a bunch of losers the Jets are.


155 posted on 12/31/2012 1:57:56 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Colonel_Flagg

But the event happened. They were penalized for the celebration, that occurred; the CAUSE of celebration was wiped from the books, but the celebration still happened. Just another reason to follow the Rice rule of act like you’ve been there before, just in case it turns out you weren’t really there this time.


156 posted on 12/31/2012 1:58:37 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: re_nortex

Please post your evidence that Mr. Kahn’s goals in any way included “destruction”. Please post evidence that he’s actively supporting Mohammedan causes.


157 posted on 12/31/2012 2:00:08 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Perdogg

Extending to the college ranks, Lame Kitten should be out at USC......who would have thought they would have ended their season by getting throttled by a 6-7 Georgia Tech team in the Sun Bowl?


158 posted on 12/31/2012 2:28:50 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: bigdaddy45
Please post your evidence that Mr. Kahn’s goals in any way included “destruction”. Please post evidence that he’s actively supporting Mohammedan causes.

I think we can have a civil discussion on the matter of Shahid Khan in particular and Mohammedanism in general, although we may have substantial disagreement.

I'll start by stating that I'm a strong believer in racial and ethnic profiling. I am also very politically incorrect and am admittedly intolerant of multiculturalism and the diversity movement. In my opinion, any and all adherents to Islam are not to be trusted. The judicial system is based on the principle of presumed innocence with the burden of proof on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond doubt. My standard is different when it comes to Islam. They are apriori guilty until and unless they renounce their faith.

I agree with what Ann Coulter wrote in her opinion piece in 2001:

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. [...] People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

As to Khan, the Jacksonville Jaguars owner, the mainstream media goes into overdrive with a narrative to portray him as a hard-working immigrant who has adopted American ways and achieved financial success. But, when all is said and done, he remains a follower of the evil satanic cult of Islam. Ergo, he's not to be trusted in my opinion. Add to that a core tenet of that cult, Taqiyya, the principle of lying for Allah:

No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness...

In conclusion, I'm sure there still remains a good amount of daylight in our viewpoint but I've stated my case forthrightly and with candor. It simply boils down to my perception that Muslims (yes, all Muslims, every single one of them) are untrustworthy since their belief system is predicated on evil. If that makes me an anti-Muslim bigot, so be it.

159 posted on 12/31/2012 2:50:07 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: brownsfan

I would like to see the Patriots bring him back as a defensive coordinator.

He is a GREAT assistant coach. Not so much a head coach, I think.


160 posted on 12/31/2012 5:41:04 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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