NFL "Black Monday" thread - Reid, Crennel already gone

[Perdogg]

Andy Reid and Romeo Crennel already have been fired. Rex Ryan to keep his job

[discostu]

2 late season fades that bounced them out of the playoffs. Also Turner and Reid are available, they’re the kind of highly regarded but not actually good coaches bad teams love. I suspect a lot of this year’s firing involve a plan to hire one of those 2.

[ducttape45]

The only one I’d like to see stay is Toub. Other than that, everyone else should go.

[Perdogg]

As of 2:21pm EST

Crennel - KC
Gailey - Buf
Reid - Phil
Shurmur - Cleve
Smith - Chicago
Turner - SD
Whisenhut- Arizona

[Loud Mime]

Good points all. As a former rugby player, I believe that the players should have reduced padding and no helmets. I don’t like seeing a 300 lb. lineman driving a smaller player into the ground with all the force he can muster. The object of such an act is to injure a player; nothing else.

Case in point: When UCLA’s Anthony Barr sacked USC’s Matt Barkley, he drove him to the ground with all his body weight. Sacking him wasn’t enough, was it?

But, that’s what sells tickets.

Basketball has gotten crazy. I wonder when they are going to put a cage around the courts?

[ducttape45]

I’m still waiting on someone to post that little “racist” gif that normally gets posted when this comes up.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Enjoy the Rams while you can, they'll be moving back to where they belong as soon as Farmers Field gets built.

But on the plus side....the Edward Jones Dome will become the biggest indoor flea market between Ypsilanti and Fresno.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

“NFL teams try to play up the hometown team loyalty angle, until they find a better deal.”

Some people have speculated that because people are now moving all over the country for the sake of jobs, the advent of cable tv and the growth of the internet has caused people from different parts of the country to become fans of teams that are not in their locales.

That sounds reasonable to me.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

“I always see RB’s lowering their heads and hitting a defender’s helmet head on to make yards, but they never call it and by the letter of the rules it is illegal.”

Not so. A running back is not considered to be a ‘defenselss player’. Neither is the defensive back.

The ‘helmet’ rule applies to a ‘defenseless receiver’ or ‘defenslelss quarterback’, for example. It does not apply to a running back unless he was in the act of making a catch.

[Colonel_Flagg]

Good points all. As a former rugby player, I believe that the players should have reduced padding and no helmets.

For the NFL to work in that fashion, they would have to ban high and low tackling, as they do in rugby. I don't see that happening, especially as long as they allow blocking.

As you know, one of the reasons rugby works like it does is that there's no blocking, with the sole exceptions I can think of being in a scrum or maul, and there's a penalty for collapsing the scrum. The impacts in rugby, while often forceful, are almost always chest-to-chest or shoulder-to-chest and you don't see the kinds of open-field hits you see in the NFL.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

“Also, raise the goal at least a foot then it will be a game.”

The taller thugs would still have the advantage. The basket should be lowered, thereby, taking the advantage of height away from the taller thugs.

In addition, the court size should be larger, longer and wider, taking away the advantage of the slow-moving, taller thugs. They would not be able to keep up the pace of the smaller thugs.

[Marathoner]

Enjoy the Rams while you can, they'll be moving back to where they belong as soon as Farmers Field gets built.

That's OK, St Louis Bills has a nice ring to it.

[Resolute Conservative]

Point taken, but I will venture that just as many if not more concussions are sustained on a full speed back hit the hole and meeting someone at the second level head on or along the sideline going for the extra yard.

I agree with rugby player you want the game to be “safer” but still a game quit making all the helmets like nascar helmets and bigger pads it encourages the big hit. If they had the bare minimum in headgear and smaller pads you’d see more form tackling of the orginal style.

Besides I am old school if you are getting paid $5+ mill a season then you take the risk and quit whining or get a real job like the rest of us. You have a choice not to play.

[re_nortex]

Thanks, grey_whiskers. Inspired by your name, for me, there are no shades of grey or nuance when it comes to Islam. As I see it, it's simply a murderous, evil satanic cult and I have no tolerance for its adherents. Being cagey enough to achieve some success in the financial realm doesn't mitigate the evil of the "Muslim faith", as Obama phrases his very own belief system.

I'm also surprised that a few otherwise good FReepers would encourage the viewing of a segment from "60 Minutes". The CBS network is not a credible source for factual information. The legacy is Murrow's baseless attacks on Senator Joseph McCarthy, Cronkite's undermining of the military during the Vietnam War, Rather's manufactured "evidence" against George W. Bush in 2004 and Couric's hit pieces on Sarah Palin during the 2008 election. I refuse to watch puffery about Shahid Khan from that biased, vile network.

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/31/3162474/reid-among-4-nfl-coaches-sacked.html

[snip] within a two-hour span the following were sacked: Andy Reid in Philadelphia, Lovie Smith in Chicago, Norv Turner in San Diego, Pat Shurmur in Cleveland, Romeo Crennel in Kansas City and Chan Gailey in Buffalo [/snip]

In Chicago, Devin Hester cleaned out his locker and threatened to retire. Hey, if the Bears’ management want to regard this as insubordination, I’m sure the Lions would take DH right now.

[SunkenCiv]

Lovie’s their third-winningest coach, and...

Ditka: Firing Lovie a bad move by Bears
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4681702/ditka-firing-lovie-a-bad-move-by-bears

[MarkL]

How can you be called for excessive celebration when replay indicates that what you're celebrating never happened?

Frankly, the penalty should have been for "excessive stupidity!"

The thing is, although the TD was called back, there were a couple of guys who ran into the endzone to celebrate along with the guy who didn't score. It's not like they were congratulating him: More along the lines of, "Look what WE did!"

They were a bunch of a$$hats, and it was bad sportsmanship, not that it really matters too much these days.

Mark

[Colonel_Flagg]

They were a bunch of a$$hats, and it was bad sportsmanship, not that it really matters too much these days.

Not that it matters. It's just that if a certain result (i.e. touchdown or fumble) is deemed not to have occurred, whatever happens after it shouldn't occur either, unless it involves an instance of possible injury to a player. They want to dance around like a$$hats? Great. Let them be embarrassed when they do it for no reason.

[ShorelineMike]

That's OK, St Louis Bills has a nice ring to it.

Saint Louis got along fine with having both the football Cardinals and the baseball Cardinals, so I suppose they could get along with the football Bills (professional) and the football Billikens (collegiate).

[discostu]

Taunting is a dead ball foul. So even if the play (live ball action) gets over turned the foul still stands.

[catnipman]

“Speaking of bowl games, the names are getting ridiculous: Against Hunger Bowl, for example”

The worst is the Humanitarian Bowl. They don’t allow tackling, so they have to play flag football instead.