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Famed Roman statue 'not ancient' [ Romulus and Remus and she-wolf ]
BBC News ^ | Thursday, July 10, 2008 | unattributed

Posted on 07/11/2008 6:29:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A statue symbolising the mythical origins and power of Rome, long thought to have been made around 500BC, has been found to date from the 1200s... The statue of the wolf was carbon-dated last year, but the test results have only now been made public. The figures of Romulus and Remus have already been shown to be 15th Century additions to the statue... Rome's former top heritage official, Professor Adriano La Regina, said about 20 tests were carried out on the she-wolf at the University of Salerno... said the results of the tests gave a very precise indication that the statue was manufactured in the 13th Century... Until recently it was widely acknowledged that the statue was an Etruscan work dating from the 5th Century BC. The Roman statesman, Cicero, who lived in the 1st Century BC, describes a statue of a she-wolf that was damaged by a lightning strike - the Lupa Capitolina has a damaged paw.

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KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; remus; romulus; shewolf
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Romulus and Remus are said to have been suckled by a she-wolf
Lupa Capitolina

1 posted on 07/11/2008 6:29:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 07/11/2008 6:30:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

The 1200’s seems pretty old to me.


3 posted on 07/11/2008 6:55:14 PM PDT by stevem
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To: SunkenCiv

it never looked etruscan.

surprised somebody didn’t have a

blink earlier.


4 posted on 07/11/2008 7:02:49 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Museums have for years been quietly removing artwork to their basements, never to be seen again. Example: Getty’s fake kouros, ( statue of a young Greek male) that they paid a ton of money for and just can’t bring themselves to admit is a fake. Still they quietly moved it to the basement.
The “experts” get taken in just like us common folk.


5 posted on 07/11/2008 7:12:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stevem

Also, I would think that there’s more unknown than known regarding what the ancient artists knew. A few years ago I read the allegation that Michelangelo was the “real” artist of an ancient Roman work excavated during his lifetime. But anyway...

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Laocoon and His Son
Vatican Museums | circa 2000 | Mary Ann Sullivan
Posted on 08/28/2004 4:07:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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An Ancient Masterpiece or a Master’s Forgery?
(Did by Michelangelo Sculpt the Laocoon?)
New York Times | April 18, 2005 | KATHRYN SHATTUCK
Posted on 04/19/2005 12:08:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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6 posted on 07/11/2008 7:13:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: count-your-change
There is an art museum in Baltimore, MD. This museum has a section devoted entirely to fakes. They display paintings and sculpture that have been determined to be fakes. They explain the "fakes" histories to include how they were duped and how it was discovered as being fake. It is very fascinating and the most popular part of the museum.
7 posted on 07/11/2008 7:21:16 PM PDT by fini
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To: ken21

I think it could pass. :’)

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8 posted on 07/11/2008 7:22:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: fini

I promise not to ask if Obama’s birth certificate is in the collection. ;’)


9 posted on 07/11/2008 7:23:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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etruscan bronze (image search)
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10 posted on 07/11/2008 7:24:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: fini
What is most surprising is that some of the artists that produced the fakes were really quite talented, just a bit weak in the honesty sphere.
But the museums helped by their desire to believe, oft times despite evidence to the contrary. I always liked the paintings since they seem to require the most skill and preparation to fake.
11 posted on 07/11/2008 7:31:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be a medieval copy of a roman copy of an etruscan original.

A lot of our ancient greek statues turned out to be roman copies of greek originals.


12 posted on 07/11/2008 7:42:34 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: count-your-change

Art fraud is the second oldest profession. You could make an excellent living in the middle ages wandering from town to town producing and selling pieces of the “true cross”, or bones of one saint or another. If you totalled up all the pieces, you would have a small forest and a large army of skeletons.


13 posted on 07/11/2008 7:42:50 PM PDT by spyone
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To: sinanju

That’s very true. By Roman times, the Greeks had been making bronze statues for foreign markets, including the Etruscans, for a while, but they weren’t the only ones making bronzes. If memory serves, there’s at least one surviving Roman marble copy of a Greek bronze original, and one of the Pompeiian frescoes depicts a mythological scene, and one of the characters appears to be a painting made from a bronze statue for its original. :’)


14 posted on 07/11/2008 7:47:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: spyone

Like the meat sold from the bulls after Spanish bull fights.
A half ton bull could produce several tons of meat. Truly amazing!


15 posted on 07/11/2008 7:49:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
thanks, and for all, an entry about the fake kouros.
16 posted on 07/11/2008 7:49:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

I knew that greek statues were a profitable export item in roman times. The great statue of Poseidon is only the most famous example of the classic statues recovered from the sea floor either from a shipwreck or tossed overboard to lighten the load in a storm.


17 posted on 07/11/2008 7:57:02 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: count-your-change

Not as amazing as all those pieces of the true cross that the lads brought back from the crusades. Enough to build a barn if collected together, b’jaysus!


18 posted on 07/11/2008 7:58:47 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SunkenCiv

I liked the history of the Crystal Skulls that the new Indiana Jones movie provoked.

It all goes back to a mid nineteenth-century French antiques dealer and amateur archaeologist. None have ever been shown to have predated modern grinding methods and none have ever been found in a “dig.”


19 posted on 07/11/2008 8:02:07 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the info. I had read about the statue a few years ago but didn’t recall the details except that the work was fake and the Getty had a very expensive door stop.
Makes one wonder how much other stuff is not quite what is purports to be.


20 posted on 07/11/2008 8:11:03 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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