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Forget The Da Vinci Code: This is The Real Mystery of the Knights Templar
Telegraph ^ | December 29, 2013 | Dominic Selwood

Posted on 01/10/2014 5:14:25 AM PST by lbryce

Not so long ago, casually throwing the Knights Templar into polite conversation was a litmus test of mental health. One of Umberto Eco’s characters in Foucault’s Pendulum summed it up perfectly. He declared that you could recognise a lunatic "by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars".

But all good things come to an end. The enigmatic medieval monk-knights are no longer a fringe interest for obsessives. They are now squarely mainstream. And as 18 March 2014 draws closer, Templarmania is going to be ratcheted up several more notches.

Everyone loves an anniversary, and this is going to be a big one. It will be exactly 700 years since the legendary Jacques de Molay, last Grand Master of the Templars, was strapped to a stake in Paris and bonfired alive. For centuries after de Molay’s execution in 1314, everyone wanted to sweep the ashes of the whole dreadful affair under the carpet. The official line was that the Templars, the former darlings of Christendom, had fallen from grace. Power had gone to their heads, and they had degenerated into something unspeakable (for a medieval order of monks, at any rate): spitting and urinating on crucifixes, worshiping idols, and finding sexual release with each other.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: cathars; churchhistory; deathtoheretics; foucaultspendulum; godsgravesglyphs; hereticsmustdie; knightstemplar; ohsomysteriouso; scottishrite; umbertoeco
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Jacques de Molay goes to the stake
1 posted on 01/10/2014 5:14:26 AM PST by lbryce
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To: SunkenCiv
SunkenCiv,
Get your armor out of storage and be on your way!


2 posted on 01/10/2014 5:17:32 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

Get your armor out of storage and be on your way.
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Roger.....

My ‘mail’ is always close at hand and doesn’t always have anything to do with the computer or be delivered by USPS.


3 posted on 01/10/2014 5:28:08 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: lbryce

“It’s only a scratch”


4 posted on 01/10/2014 5:29:39 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: lbryce

So seven guys from France show up in Jerusalem, talk their way into posession of the temple mount, dig for a couple of years, then return to Europe to build a massive financial empire and revolutionize architecture.

What’s the mystery?


5 posted on 01/10/2014 5:30:35 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: xrmusn

Duh.... I get the play on words you’ve demonstrated with “mail”.


6 posted on 01/10/2014 5:40:07 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

This is an interesting read.

While leaving many unanswered questions, it provides insight to several areas of confusion.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 5:49:39 AM PST by G Larry
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To: lbryce

An interesting footnote is that though suppressed in France and disbanded in England and Scotland the Templars survived in Spain and Portugal. They were highly regarded for their aid in the “Reconquista”. They only changed their name to “The Order of Christ” They financed the voyages of Columbus and Vasco da Gama. The order survives in Spain to this day


8 posted on 01/10/2014 5:49:45 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: G Larry

Thank you. It’s also the reason I posted it.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 5:51:47 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce
Everyone loves an anniversary, and this is going to be a big one. It will be exactly 700 years since the legendary Jacques de Molay, last Grand Master of the Templars, was strapped to a stake in Paris and bonfired alive. For centuries after de Molay’s execution in 1314, everyone wanted to sweep the ashes of the whole dreadful affair under the carpet. The official line was that the Templars, the former darlings of Christendom, had fallen from grace. Power had gone to their heads, and they had degenerated into something unspeakable (for a medieval order of monks, at any rate): spitting and urinating on crucifixes, worshiping idols, and finding sexual release with each other.

PFL

10 posted on 01/10/2014 5:52:04 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: lbryce

According to the RLDS genealogy website, I’m descended from Phillip. So whenever something minor goes wrong, like we get the wrong order in a carry out (I got original recipe instead of grilled at KFC yesterday for example), its due to this curse. We call it the ancient pizza curse.


11 posted on 01/10/2014 6:08:35 AM PST by Mercat
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To: lbryce

My uncle was a born-again Christian. When he became a 33rd degree Mason, something very bad in Freemasonry scared him, and he sort of dropped out. He has gone home to be with the Lord, and I have no idea or hint as to what frightened him.
He seemed to enjoy his Freemason membership prior to that
last step, encouraging me in my high school years to think about Demolay. (We had a very active chapter at my high school.) He would say, “Now I can’t ask you to join.” But you could tell that he had a fond wish that my Dad and I would get involved with Freemasonry. Not so in his last years.


12 posted on 01/10/2014 6:13:00 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: lbryce
Templars’ chosen decorations for this particular chapel were not saints, bible scenes, and the usual range of religious imagery. The surviving frescoes are a bizarre collection of stars and wheels, rolling around the walls and ceiling in some mysterious, unfathomable pattern. Interspersed among them are also grids and chequer-boards, painted with equal precision – but also with no apparent sense or meaning. There is nothing remotely Christian about it.

Unitarians?

13 posted on 01/10/2014 6:13:10 AM PST by Oratam
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To: lbryce
“Philip then spent the next few years getting his hands on the Templars’ vast wealth”

My read of the subject indicates he did give the castles to Knights Hospitalers but the “vast treasures” eluded him. Phillip was deeply in debt to the Templars and this zeroed out that debt. Motive? Yep. And Phillip's life did not end well either.

14 posted on 01/10/2014 6:17:32 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: lbryce
Beer cans are not very impressive. But OK for reenacts.
15 posted on 01/10/2014 6:19:44 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: lbryce

BFL!


16 posted on 01/10/2014 6:34:54 AM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: lbryce

Interesting read. Between the Sultan being allowed to pray in the al-Aqsa mosque, being able to talk their way into ownership of Temple Mount, the denial of Christ in the initiation, and the designs on the inside of their chapel as opposed to religious imagery (reminded me of the inside of a mosque sort of), could they have been an underground Muslim movement? Kind of like the Muslim equivalent of the Jesuits?


17 posted on 01/10/2014 6:40:06 AM PST by refreshed
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To: lbryce

I’m sorry. I’m not very good at this conspiracy theory stuff.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 6:41:19 AM PST by refreshed
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To: lbryce
Interesting article.

We visited an ancient castle in central France, Busseol Castle (google it) where the Knights Templar gathered for the trip to the Holy Land.

I love to visit castles and this one has to be the best and most intriguing. It is small enough that it would remind you of a house you could actually live in and it was furnished with ancient antiques. Built up on a pointed hill with a view in all directions.

It is open to the public but the care taker wanted us to hurry through so he could go to lunch or something. I could have spent all day (and night) there.

19 posted on 01/10/2014 6:42:55 AM PST by Ditter
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To: lbryce
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24518/24518-h/dvii.html#crusades

Here is a rather old (1852), less dramatic, probably more accurate account of the Crusades and the Templars.

They were the last crusaders to leave by ship the fortress known as Acre, at the end of the Crusades. Most of the Templars stayed and died at the hands of the Muslim conquerors.

20 posted on 01/10/2014 6:43:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: refreshed

A lot of people think the Templars were influenced by Sufi Islam and incorporated some of their thinking.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 6:47:50 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: lbryce

There is evidence that after the suppression of the Templars in France on Friday October 13, 1307, many escaped Phillip’s grasp.

The story is that most escaped through England to Scotland where they were protected. England resisted the pressure from the French Pope for a long time. And apparently gave warning to those who were in England.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 6:49:48 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: lbryce

bookmark


23 posted on 01/10/2014 7:09:30 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: lbryce

Place marker


24 posted on 01/10/2014 7:44:47 AM PST by kalee
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To: lbryce

To put it mildly, the author is an ignorant ass.


25 posted on 01/10/2014 7:47:11 AM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: x1stcav

Soon to be rich; he’s authored a book. Its all about sales.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 8:18:38 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE

He appears to be another left-wing doosh who considers the Crusaders to be evil while ignoring history completely in that it was the muzzies the precipitated the events that lead to the Crusades.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 8:23:37 AM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: lbryce

Duh.... I get the play on words you’ve demonstrated with “mail”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Well I kinda figured YOU would ‘get it’.

Leno ‘featured’ clowns last night that couldn’t ID joebiden or moochelle (at least the ones they featured)....

I figured we hit bottom when the ‘Final Jeopardy’ question with the subject being ‘Titanic”
“Those who have been saved have been saved through one man”, this Italian.”?
None of the ‘trivia nuts’ came close to Marconi.


28 posted on 01/10/2014 9:01:56 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: x1stcav

“He appears to be another left-wing doosh who considers the Crusaders to be evil while ignoring history completely in that it was the muzzies the precipitated the events that lead to the Crusades.”
_______________________________________________
Oh...........I have no doubt about that. What else could we expect? I was simply noting that like with so much else, his article is part of the “Business Model” du jour. Write an article to promote your new mystery novel.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 9:41:02 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Mr. K

“a flesh wound’


30 posted on 01/10/2014 11:19:38 AM PST by Hulka
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Placemarker


31 posted on 01/10/2014 12:39:25 PM PST by misanthrope (Liberalism; it is not unthinking ignorance, it is malignant evil.)
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To: righttackle44

He probably found out who they really serve.


32 posted on 01/10/2014 12:49:54 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: lbryce
Instead, it is a small mid-12th-century chapel in the village of Montsaunès, set in the foothills of the French Pyrenees, on one of the principal medieval highways leading from France into Spain. It was in a critical location. The fight to wrest Spain back from Islam was in full flow, and Montsaunès was on a strategic defensive line.

Baloney.

By this time in history, the line between Christianity and Islam had moved well south of the other side of the Pyrenees, which are themselves a very potent barrier.

This castle was probably important in controlling supply lines for Europeans headed into Spain to fight. But the idea that Muslim forces might attack it is ridiculous.

33 posted on 01/10/2014 1:15:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: xrmusn

Yes, I agree, I shouldn’t have been such a pompous ass about it. You deserved a bit more magnanimity, civility for your erudite, clever comments, not the least of which I myself was looking to come up with my own version of “mail, mail” but couldn’t quite find the perfect balance, particularly not wanting it to be palpably obvious, which to some degree is how I felt about your comment.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 3:14:27 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

was looking to come up with my own version of “mail, mail” but couldn’t quite find the perfect balance
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Actually I was responding to your ‘call to arms’ - then when we arrived at the rendezvous point we could break into a rousing chorus of

“Mail, mail, the gangs all here decked in their mail”

I guess the fems would rise up were we to make the statement

“It takes a real male to wear mail”.
AND a real horse to carry both.


35 posted on 01/10/2014 3:45:39 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: xrmusn
YouTube:Hail, Hail, The Gang's All Here

HAIL ! HAIL ! THE GANG'S ALL HERE !
(Words by D.A. Estron / Music by Theodore Morse and Arthur
Sullivan, 1917)
Irving Kaufman - 1943 Fred Astaire A gang of good fellows are we, (are we,)Are we, (are we,) are we, (are we,)
Are we, (are we,) are we, (are we,)With never a worry you see, (you see,)
You see, (you see,) you see, (you see,)We laugh and joke, we sing and smoke,And live life merrily;
No matter the weather When we get togetherWe have a jubilee.

[Chorus]

We love one another we do, (we do,)We do, (we do,) we do, (we do,)
With brotherly love and it's true, (it's true,)
It's true, (it's true,) it's true, (it's true,)
It's one for all, the big and small,It's always me for you;
No matter the weatherWhen we get together We drink a toast for two.

[Chorus]

36 posted on 01/10/2014 5:13:19 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

Better a hot stake than a cold chop.


37 posted on 01/10/2014 5:17:32 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Bulwyf

All the rituals are on the Internet now so....no. It’s just a fraternity.


38 posted on 01/10/2014 5:20:05 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

I don’t believe in coincidence that much.


39 posted on 01/10/2014 6:58:48 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: lbryce; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Dang, I hate wearing armor this time of year. Thanks lbryce. Is this anniversary recalibrated to Gregorian calendar reform?

40 posted on 01/11/2014 5:24:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: lbryce

-——enigmatic medieval monk-knights-——

There you have it....... the Templar truth is that the truth is unknown. The waters are so muddy that there is insufficient clarity to see the real historical record.


41 posted on 01/11/2014 5:38:21 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: refreshed

I thought of mohammedan “art”, as well, when I saw the chapel paintings.


42 posted on 01/11/2014 7:13:18 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: xrmusn

“Those who have been saved have been saved through one man”, this Italian.”?

***
I was surprised, as well, that they did not get Marconi.


43 posted on 01/11/2014 7:16:15 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: Texas Fossil
"There is evidence that after the suppression of the Templars in France on Friday October 13, 1307, many escaped Phillip’s grasp."

I've been reading a series of Medieval mysteries by Michael Jecks, that take place in the Devon and Cornwall areas. They feature a former Templar Knight Sir Baldwin Furnshill, who has returned home and been given the title Keeper of the King's Peace. Only his servant (they'd fought together in the Crusades), and his close friend Simon Puttock, the local Bailiff, know of his past.

44 posted on 01/11/2014 8:55:45 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: lbryce

Looking at the painted symbols on the Chapel walls sort of reminded me of the Rosary beads used by Catholics during prayers for some reason.

I’m not Catholic but I understand that each bead and larger medals and crucifix are a reminder of a specific prayer to be made in a specific order. It represents a sort of mnemonic way to remember what prayers to say.

Maybe the symbols were a visual mnemonic representation of a series of prayers that the Templars were supposed to pray in a specific order.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 10:17:16 AM PST by wildbill
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To: mass55th
The older I get, the more I approach history with caution. Seeing the intrigue of today makes one more sober in accepting things as fact.
46 posted on 01/11/2014 1:46:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Pan_Yan

Nothing, really. Just one heck of a pick.


47 posted on 01/11/2014 7:11:01 PM PST by patton (“Really? Have you tried chewing cloves?”)
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Templar bump.


48 posted on 01/12/2014 4:49:35 AM PST by misanthrope (Liberalism; it is not unthinking ignorance, it is malignant evil.)
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To: righttackle44
He would say, “Now I can’t ask you to join.”

Because no one can ask you to join. You have to be the one to ask.

We call it 'joining of your won free will and accord'.

49 posted on 01/13/2014 6:33:57 AM PST by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: xrmusn

““Those who have been saved have been saved through one man”, this Italian.”?
None of the ‘trivia nuts’ came close to Marconi.”

And Marconi had Tesla to thank!


50 posted on 01/16/2014 12:31:15 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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