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Why is the The Mesopotamian Civilization considered the oldest civilization?

Posted on 02/19/2022 8:36:01 AM PST by MNDude

As long as I have been alive, the The Mesopotamian Civilization has been considered the oldest civilization. I'm curious what is the criteria to be considered a civilization? Is it really the oldest, or is something that archeologists do not wish to update their books after spending a lifetime devoted to this teaching.

The Mesopotamian civilization dated back to 6500 BC, but the Jiahu in China dated back to 7000 BC.

Gobekli Tepe, in Turkey, was a temple was built along a grand geometric plan in 9000 BC.

I'm curious to hear an opinion from any archeology\ anthropology experts here.


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1 posted on 02/19/2022 8:36:01 AM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude

“Civilation” = writing as communication

Mesop has some of the earliest evidence of writing


2 posted on 02/19/2022 8:40:18 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: Macoozie
Civilization is also from the same root as cities.

No cities, no civilization.

3 posted on 02/19/2022 8:45:18 AM PST by marktwain (Amazing people can read a persons entire personality and character from one photograph.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


4 posted on 02/19/2022 8:45:23 AM PST by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: MNDude

“Gobekli Tepe, in Turkey, was a temple was built along a grand geometric plan in 9000 BC.”

The place is amazing and they haven’t excavated all of it yet.


5 posted on 02/19/2022 8:46:15 AM PST by dljordan
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To: MNDude

Because the Mesotopmanians were always out on their front steps yelling at kids to stay off their lawns.


6 posted on 02/19/2022 8:46:52 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: dljordan

Because we have their writings and can read them—History is all about writing.


7 posted on 02/19/2022 8:47:07 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: dljordan

Because we have their writings and can read them—History is all about writing.


8 posted on 02/19/2022 8:47:07 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: dljordan

Because we have their writings and can read them—History is all about writing.


9 posted on 02/19/2022 8:47:08 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( ALWAYS GO FORWARD AND NEVER GO BACK.)
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To: MNDude
6,000 years ago, they laid down the law


10 posted on 02/19/2022 8:55:12 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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To: MNDude

This is Graham Hancock’s field. There’s plenty of evidence of Ice Age civilizations that are currently under water off the coasts of India and Japan.


11 posted on 02/19/2022 8:55:32 AM PST by KobraKai
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To: MNDude

It’s because there weren’t simply a few potamians, there was a whole Mesopotamians


12 posted on 02/19/2022 8:56:48 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: dljordan

WOW! I just looked it up, and they have only excavated only 5%! Sadly, if they are doing only 5% every 30 years, I don’t expect to be around once they’ve excavated 100%.


13 posted on 02/19/2022 8:57:21 AM PST by MNDude (Once you remove "they would never" from your vocabulary, it all begins to make sense)
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To: MNDude

Listen dude, you don’t wanna mess with the Potamians.


14 posted on 02/19/2022 8:57:50 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: MNDude

History, like science, is constantly being revised. Stuff we read about in the News and even some history publications either reflects cor orthodox view, or its conjecture about how new facts might fit into a new orthodoxy.


15 posted on 02/19/2022 8:57:55 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Macoozie

It’s really that simple.

Just this morning I finished “Old Testament Theology for Christians”. I cannot recommend it highly enough. But he references Mesopotamia a LOT, as well as Levant. And points out the strong similarities with - and differences from - their cultural and religious beliefs and Israel’s.


16 posted on 02/19/2022 9:06:31 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: MNDude

You sent me down the rabbit hole and I ended up here - https://www.ancienthistorylists.com/ancient-civilizations/10-oldest-ancient-civilizations-ever-existed/.

There is a great discussion in the comments on what defines a civilization. Might be a place to check out.


17 posted on 02/19/2022 9:07:06 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: chajin
I remember when Daffy Duck encountered a mess o Messerschmits.


18 posted on 02/19/2022 9:08:31 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for criminals.)
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To: MNDude

They were the first to brew beer. You can’t have a civilization without beer.


19 posted on 02/19/2022 9:11:35 AM PST by Noumenon (Black American flag time. KTF)
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To: MNDude

I see the earth as an old painting in this way: Sometimes a painting would be put to canvas, only to be whitewashed and another painting would be put on top of it.

I see the surface of the earth as a canvas upon which God created something. He then “whitewashed it” and put something new on it. And we have no idea how many iterations took place.

Our particular painting began with all the writings and artifacts we find on or near the surface. However, if we carefully peal away the top painting, we find one under it. And one under that one. And eventually we find a layer with things likd Dinosaurs, and we go deeper to find more.

And to be clear, if our modern planet was to be hit with a large enough cosmic event, though the planet may survive, all remnant of modern technology would be wiped out. Or virtually all remnant. This may explain some OOP artifacts.

So, though we know a lot, do we really have any clue how long ago there may have actually have been technological societies on this very planet? Our forefathers didn’t know North and south america existed, nor were they privy to the significantly advanced culture in North America. What do we not yet know about the distant history of our plenet and civilizations that preceded us.

The bible shares information back to Genesis 1:2, but we have no clue what happened in the time period of indeterminant length between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. We can only speculate, and let archeological discovery lead the way.


20 posted on 02/19/2022 9:14:19 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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