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The Secret History of the Vikings: New DNA-driven research...
Discover Magazine ^ | March 2018 | Gemma Tarlach

Posted on 03/26/2018 2:49:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

More than a thousand years ago, the Vikings arrived on the world stage as swiftly as their longships cut through the waves. They raided and traded, conquered and colonized. They left their mark on four continents -- not just at archaeological sites, but also in the flora and fauna, the languages and local populations.

The Viking Age did not last long -- it's generally defined as beginning in the late eighth century and ending in most areas by the early 12th century -- but the explorers still capture our imagination today.

"The Vikings epitomized the freedom and strength we like in our heroes," says Judith Jesch, professor of Viking studies at the University of Nottingham. "They were enterprising and bold; they were certainly violent, but so was everyone else at the time -- and still are."

But despite their well-documented spirit of adventure, warrior culture and innovative shipbuilding, the Vikings still have their secrets. Questions remain about how they lived, where they traveled and who they really were.

Now, like ship captains setting sail to untouched shores, scientists are exploring a new age of Viking research. On this adventure, DNA is their map.

The full text of this article is available to Discover Magazine subscribers only.

(Excerpt) Read more at discovermagazine.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; middleages; navigation; renaissance; vikings
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To: Darteaus94025

That’s just good marketing. And if you go to the complaint department, and anyone from Eric the Red’s family is on duty, just forget it and move on.


41 posted on 03/26/2018 5:34:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: x_plus_one

The Vikings under Rollo were settled in what came to be called Normandy. We are beholding to them for the use of family names derived from land grants that were passed down from generation to generation. That habit makes it possible for many English (and Americans) to follow their heritage as far back as the ninth century AD.


42 posted on 03/26/2018 5:39:22 AM PDT by Bookshelf (AND)
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To: SunkenCiv
The only dog in the Americas in the 1500's was the Newfoundland. It is thought that the Newfoundland was the Viking's dog. As any dog loving can attest the Newfoundland is the kindest sweetest dog around. Make's me think that the Viking rep for being cruel is over rated.


43 posted on 03/26/2018 5:43:41 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Gay State Conservative
the southwest coast of Ireland

The natural assumption would be that English genes would be more prevalent in eastern Ireland than in western.

But a study of the current genetic make-up showed the opposite. The reason was that there was more migration to America from western Ireland, and the Irish who remained intermarried with the English troops stationed there.

44 posted on 03/26/2018 5:52:36 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: TTFlyer
They were extinct in two generations.

LOL!

And I suspect Hogg's pal Emma Gonzalez will go extinct in one.

45 posted on 03/26/2018 5:54:08 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: sphinx
Point of view counts for a lot in writing history.

As in, for instance, this?
"...they were certainly violent, but so was everyone else at the time -- and still are."

I.e.:
"We must understand that by today's standard the Vikings were normal, I mean one just has to look at high school shootings, everyone has an automatic weapon when all they need is a bucket of rocks, etc."

46 posted on 03/26/2018 5:59:04 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Obama's "Remaking of America" continues apace in the absence of political opposition.)
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To: frog in a pot

There was a good 3 part documentary series on the BBC a few years ago called “Blood of the Vikings” that tested locals’ DNA in various parts of the UK. It showed the Vikings’ settlement patterns pretty clearly and was an interesting documentary series. I bet you could still find it on YouTube.


47 posted on 03/26/2018 6:08:38 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Gay State Conservative
Well, the "Spanish" of today, if we look back 1000 years they called themselves Castiliano or more simply Romans or Christians or Moslems (yes, quite a few converted). If we look back 2000 years, then they called themselves different names including many with Berber or Phoenician blood

The Spanish did come to Ireland during the age of discovery, but the phoenicians probably came there as early as 1000 BC

The "Black irish" refers to their hair and eye color not the color of their skin

As for Jews, remember that they were kicked out of their homelands around 200 AD after they had slaughtered thousands of gentiles in the Bar Kochkba revolt. And genetically Jews in Europe are Jewish on the male line and Southern European on the female line - meaning that the Jewish males intermarried with locals. This has no impact on who is jewish or not as the entire "descended from your mother" is a later condition.

Many Jews converted, many half-Jews would spread. Over 2000 years you can expect the genes to be widely dispersed.

48 posted on 03/26/2018 6:21:59 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Irish legends and genetic markers indicate that people from northern Spain were among the first settlers of Ireland, centuries before the Celts arrived. The western Irish have a high degree of genetic markers in common with the Basques, and like the Basques have a very high proportion of Type O blood. This similarity is less evident in eastern Ireland or Scotland, where Celtic, Norman, and English ancestry are more prevalent. However, the Welsh also have similar markers showing linkage with the Basques.

The northern Spanish, notably in Galicia and Asturias, often look nothing like the Spanish stereotype. Many could pass as locals in Glasgow, Cork, or Swansea.

Until the late 19th Century, there was little, if any, Eastern European Jewish settlement in the British Isles. Most of the Jews who entered Britain or Ireland after the revocation of their expulsion under Cromwell were Sephardic or German Jews, who settled in small numbers, and then mostly in the English cities. The odds of the 17th, 18th, and 19th Century emigres from the British Isles having Jewish ancestry were very small.

49 posted on 03/26/2018 6:34:42 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

>> The northern Spanish, notably in Galicia and Asturias, often look nothing like the Spanish stereotype <<

They also like to play the bagpipes!


50 posted on 03/26/2018 6:50:38 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: SunkenCiv
Hubba hubba...I surrender!! 😍
51 posted on 03/26/2018 7:01:26 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Refreshing? Trump makes me feel like I just freebased a York Peppermint Pattie!)
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To: Cronos
Basically: Viking genes show how they integrated with the Irish, English, French, Russians

IOW, they were pussy grabbers.

52 posted on 03/26/2018 7:11:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: tflabo

What shocks me is when it comes to politics, many of the modern day descendant’s of the Vikings are progressive wimps.


53 posted on 03/26/2018 7:21:48 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: PapaBear3625
Meanwhile, millions of slaves were imported into Rome from elsewhere.

A cautionary tale for the open-borders crowd!

54 posted on 03/26/2018 7:43:14 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Cronos
The Spanish did come to Ireland during the age of discovery, but the phoenicians probably came there as early as 1000 BC.

In 1588 the destruction of the Spanish Armada off the west coast of Ireland (mostly by Atlantic storms) put a lot of survivors ashore, and many simply became part of the population, since you couldn't pick up a ride home very easily.

55 posted on 03/26/2018 7:52:51 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is there anything specific in the article about their entry into Ireland?


56 posted on 03/26/2018 8:37:36 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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To: Darteaus94025

“Could be that their boldest more be was to name an island Greenland?”

Don’t let the Global Warmers fool you. When the Vikings went there, it really was green. When the Medieval Warm Period ended, the Norse settlements in Greenland died out.


57 posted on 03/26/2018 9:08:42 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: x_plus_one; Chronos; SunkenCiv; All

Has any research been done on the thousand year old Viking remains regarding Neanderthal DNA?


58 posted on 03/26/2018 9:30:12 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv
Medical gene therapy and selective genetic modification promise to provide significant technological advances. While standard gene therapy will be directed at disease prevention and/or repair (cancer cell neutralization, limb regeneration, organ harvest, etc), the opportunity for selective enhancement will be the true game changer.

The most obvious will of course be cognitive improvements to increase overall IQ levels, but we shouldn't ignore the cosmetic aspects as well. My prediction is that everyone will want to look like Scandinavians. Years of social programming and PC will fly out the window as millions of people vote with their pocketbook to get the look they always wanted.

59 posted on 03/26/2018 9:49:49 AM PDT by semantic
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To: SunkenCiv

Vikings
http://davidswebsite.com/vikings/minnesota-vikings-football.jpg


60 posted on 03/26/2018 12:54:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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