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Ted Cruz Says Fight Not Over with GOP Convention Nearing (Wants to CANCEL Open Primaries )
Christian Post ^ | May 16, 2016 | LIEZL DUNUAN

Posted on 05/17/2016 4:08:52 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Ted Cruz and his allies are preparing for the coming National GOP Convention. According to NBC News, Cruz who recently attended a GOP convention in Texas told his supporters that the days ahead will be "challenging" for the Republican Party. He, however, expressed hope that those who remain loyal to him and the party "will be the remnant, will be the core of pulling this country back from the abyss."

Aside from this pronouncement, [he] has remained mum about whether he will throw his support for presumptive nominee Donald Trump. According to the NBC report, the support of Cruz and his allies in Texas is needed by Trump if he is squaring off with Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton for the presidential elections. A Texan party elder, Steve Munisteri said that "Ted Cruz has led a national movement, a conservative movement. We certainly need solid conservatives to be behind our nominee [Trump.]"

... Cruz and his allies in the Republican Party are EYEING TO CONTINUE THEIR FIGHT TO RUN THE PARTY. Despite his failure to win over Trump, ... he is still hoping that when he attends the National Convention,... he will be able to bring about key changes in how the party governs itself and picks its presidential nominee. Aside from changes in rules, the party will also be working out its "official policy platform" as well as "determine how much power the RNC has to make new rules of its own."

>>The key discussion points, which will also be the likely flash points during the convention, will include CLOSED PRIMARIES. THIS MEANS DOING AWAY WITH OPEN PRIMARIES AND THE "CONSCIENCE CLAUSE," which will RELEASE CONSERVATIVE DELEGATES FROM SUPPORTING THE PRESUMPTIVE DELEGATE, should that delegate represent views that contradict theirs or the party.

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To: HandyDandy

That’s poor writing by the author of the article. It’s confusing and vague as to what they’re referring to. That should never have been published that way.

And an inside-content-publishing note: sometimes the article’s author writes the headline and often they don’t. In newspapers, the writer has zip to do with the headline. Also, a headline has to fit a certain length - for instance, in a WordPress-based site, the headline must fit within a certain number of characters (65 is common), and it must have the primary keyword in it (ideally at the beginning of the headline) so the search engines will pick it up.

Journalistic integrity is often an afterthought.

This has been a problem for years, going back to strictly print media.


321 posted on 05/18/2016 11:16:59 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: Nita Nupress

One question about not putting any money in God’s donation plate.

I do not put my donations at church on my taxes. I could, but I don’t. Sometimes I have just one or two bucks to give, and when I do, I give more, and sacrificially. Once I just grabbed all my walking-around money, without counting it, and put it in the bag.

A 1040 line item does not necessarily lead to a logical or accurate conclusion about actual giving.


322 posted on 05/18/2016 11:30:50 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

I may be mistaken, but it looks like you said that without Independents voting for an (R), we lose. That is true... but not in the general. I don’t believe any general election ballots are closed the way closed party primary ballots are.


323 posted on 05/18/2016 11:41:36 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: Nita Nupress

Very nice analysis, Nita.


324 posted on 05/19/2016 4:40:52 AM PDT by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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To: bootless

We all heard that theory a million x from Cruz supporters—that he just didn’t claim the deduction. Then Cruz himself admitted on camera that he and Heidi don’t give a dime [to the church]. Then he lied about the reason. (He and Heidi couldn’t afford it; he cited his income from ten years ago to prove it.)

Not giving is one thing. Lying about the reason takes it to a whole new level.


325 posted on 05/19/2016 5:02:27 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: TexasGator; Fantasywriter
Carson never had a sincere campaign.

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

326 posted on 05/19/2016 5:29:43 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Theophilus

The pathology of Cruz supporters all but defies description. The Cruz camp wronged Carson. The former contacted every single caucus location with the message, presented as fact, that Carson was suspending his campaign. Carson had made no such announcement (just the opposite) nor had CNN reported this ‘fact.’ What was done to Carson represents the antithesis of the Golden Rule. It was dirty.

And ever since, Cruz supporters have been lobbing insults, abuse, or other accusations...at Carson. I.e.: it wasn’t enough to lie about Carson at a crucial moment in the primaries; he now needs to be further deligitimized by Cruz supporters.

It’s ugly. It’s sick. It’s creepy.

SMH.


327 posted on 05/19/2016 6:25:34 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
And ever since, Cruz supporters have been lobbing insults, abuse, or other accusations

You are a victim of your own psychological projections

Get help.

328 posted on 05/19/2016 6:41:18 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Theophilus

If you’re trying to make Al Gore and his supporters look, by contrast, like graceful losers, you’re doing an excellent job.


329 posted on 05/19/2016 7:09:00 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
I have many derogatory thoughts about Donald Trump but I'd never think of him as a "graceful loser" no matter how bad he has ever lost or ever will lose, if he does.


330 posted on 05/19/2016 7:22:05 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Theophilus

Cruz and his supporters seem determined to plunge the concept of ‘sore losers’ to new depths. It’s gone beyond the point of ridiculous, and has now achieved self-parody status.


331 posted on 05/19/2016 7:28:38 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Actually, closed primaries, in which only registered Republicans can vote, are fine with me. Such should be implemented on a state-by-state basis, or why bother having state parties?

As for delegates, if Mr. Cruz wants them all to be unbound, then why bother having primary elections?


332 posted on 05/19/2016 7:38:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (0bama's insane rantings prove that power deludes, and absolute power deludes absolutely.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Agree, algore’s people were partially understood and often pitied for their liberal insanity. We felt sorry for them.

Ours are different and non excusable do to better breeding.

But, they have become the four ‘C’s:

CCCC-concerned conservative cruz cult


333 posted on 05/19/2016 8:02:26 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We need to first examine the votes of incoming I or D votes and see what they really amount to in certain states. The republican party has ticked off millions of voters and many have registered as independents. It really depends on how rotten your state politicians have treated their constituents and national party issues as well. Some Indies are much more traditionally, socially, & fiscally conservative than the GOP.

We will never win elections again as a party if they further marginalize with all states with closed primaries. If they do, then let’s dispose of all the crooked little time consuming caucuses where less than .003% of the party picks the winner. They have been given a license to cheat.

Some state republicans are grossly outnumbered by other party registrants. The very same people that are allowed to participate in a primary election will most definitely vote in the fall. The opposite of that holds true, as well.

South Carolina is an open primary - diverse state demographically. They have successfully picked the republican nominee since the 1980’s with the exception of one time.

States reserve the right to decide their own way. We want to draw voters, not exclude them from participating. There are many variations between Open / Closed primaries, as well.

Republican Rules should be made from the bottom-up<- state control. Not heavy handed by the party ->top-down.


334 posted on 05/19/2016 8:27:38 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

‘The republican party has ticked off millions of voters and many have registered as independents.’

That’s what happened to me. I’ve since read Sundance’s thesis that the Establishment purposefully drives people like me out of the party. According to him, the likes of McConnell and Ryan prefer a smaller GOP comprised of party-faithful than a larger GOP infested with angry, betrayed conservatives who constantly agitate against the leadership. If Sundance is right, closed primaries will serve the Establishment’s purpose, since they’ve driven so many firebrand conservatives out of the fold.

What about a primary that allows Independents but excludes Dems?


335 posted on 05/19/2016 10:26:38 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

What’s out of kilter is the inability of Cruz supporters to get past Ben Carson. Rather, they cling to feelings toward him ranging from raw hatred to soulless disdain.

Why?

Because Carson is to blame for the inception of the ‘dirty Teddy’ meme. If only Carson would have dropped out when Jeff Roe said he did, all would be well. By stubbornly and selfishly refusing to drop out at the Cruz-camp command, Carson tarnished Ted’s ‘principled conservative’ veneer.

It’s unbelievable. Carson has become, in Cruz supporters eyes, a villain. Yet his crime is nothing more than failing to validate a Cruz camp dirty trick. Mentally unhinged falls short of describing the pathology.


336 posted on 05/19/2016 10:40:31 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

All would not have been well. Cruz is just very desperate because you must win early. They had spent $$$$$ on internal polling and knew he could only win in limited places. Iowa was the place. Carson is not to blame for anything. Remember the ‘shaming letters?’

There’s lots of stuff that could have unravelled his campaign. Someone should have followed up with the fraud in Maine. There is no way that he won that election without fraudulent assistance.

I’m really shocked his campaign went so far. The length is only attributed to the millions of dollars vested into him by the handful of donors. He exited on May 3 with close to 10 million dollars, btw. He did not quit due to a lack of money to continue the campaign. BOOM from DJT.


337 posted on 05/19/2016 11:08:27 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Fantasywriter

Some states have Modified Primaries: Independents voting in the primary, but no D’s.

IMHO, Sundance is very intuitive. His elaborate theories and analysis rings true. The comments posted there are well written and much more factually based than other places. It is a great source with current articles of interest.

And, Sundance is correct, as usual: GOP thrives on party faithful.

Here’s my take:

The GOP dream come true would be 100% closed caucuses. They could all pick each other and family members for delegates and elected offices. Just forget about primaries altogether and they can run their little show.

However, they’d have to pretend that the sucker-electorate has some voice so they could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in political advertising and consultant fees.


338 posted on 05/19/2016 11:20:35 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

‘I’m really shocked his campaign went so far.’

Everything else you posted was excellent—great analysis. I quibble with the above, however. As soon as Cruz selected Jeff Roe to run his campaign, no further shocks should have been forthcoming. Cruz told us everything we needed to know at that moment; what followed was entirely predictable.

Roe has a very broad and well known reputation: win at any cost. Any cost to include lies, smears, dirty tricks, cheating, you name it. That is who Roe is; that is how he runs campaigns.

Nobody hires Roe to run a clean, ethical campaign. That would have been like hiring Bill Clinton, in his heyday, to run a coed-only college. Unless by ‘run the college’ one means, ‘treat it like a harem,’ Bill would have been the wrong person for the job.

Likewise Roe. A candidate hires Roe to haul his butt across the finish line in first place, no matter how dirty the campaign must be that gets him there. Cruz tried, for PR purposes, to portray himself otherwise, but actions speak louder than words. As soon as Cruz put Roe in charge, the cheating was history.


339 posted on 05/19/2016 11:44:06 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

‘Here’s my take:

The GOP dream come true would be 100% closed caucuses.’

Agree.


340 posted on 05/19/2016 11:45:10 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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