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Galactic Monster Mystery Revealed in Ancient Universe [Galaxies that shouldn't exist!]
Discovery.com ^ | Nov 19, 2015 07:00 AM ET | by Ian O'Neill Source: ESO

Posted on 11/19/2015 12:26:11 PM PST by Red Badger

ESO's VISTA survey telescope has spied a horde of previously hidden massive galaxies that existed when the Universe was in its infancy. By discovering and studying more of these galaxies than ever before, astronomers have for the first time found out exactly when such monster galaxies first appeared. The newly discovered massive galaxies are marked on this image of the UltraVISTA field. [RED CIRCLES]

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Astronomers have detected something baffling at the furthest frontiers of our observable universe: massive galaxies -- lots of massive galaxies -- that shouldn't even exist.

Depending on the wavelength you observe the universe in, different celestial objects and cosmic phenomena present themselves. This rule is especially true when looking deeper into the universe - the further you look, the farther back in time you can see. Because the universe is expanding, the most ancient light traveling over these vast distances becomes more difficult to observe.

This nature of space-time becomes abundantly clear when considering new discoveries in the infrared realm - light has become so red-shifted (basically stretched) that only infrared observatories can see the faint glow at the most distant corners of the cosmos.

In an effort to reveal galaxies that have remained hidden from view at these vast distances, the Visible and Infrared Survey Telescope for Astronomy (VISTA) at the ESO's Paranal Observatory in Chile has revealed some of the youngest galaxies discovered to date, galaxies that were born a mere billion years after the Big Bang. But there's something weird going on: There's lots of them. And they're monsters.

When peering that far into our universe's past, the light generated by stars that were born nearly 13 billion years ago is very difficult to resolve. Therefore, when making ancient galaxy discoveries, it's often only the brightest galaxies that get spotted. But by staring at the same patch of sky since 2009 as part of the UltraVISTA survey, and combining longer wavelength infrared data collected by NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, astronomers have been able to tease the faint signal of hundreds of previously undetected galaxies that have, until now, been overlooked.

"We uncovered 574 new massive galaxies - the largest sample of such hidden galaxies in the early Universe ever assembled," said Karina Caputi, of the Kapteyn Astronomical Institute at the University of Groningen. "Studying them allows us to answer a simple but important question: when did the first massive galaxies appear?"

This selection of massive galaxies all seem to have formed no earlier than around 1 billion years after the Big Bang; there is little evidence from this survey that suggests massive galaxies formed before this time.

"We found no evidence of these massive galaxies earlier than around one billion years after the Big Bang, so we're confident that this is when the first massive galaxies must have formed," said coauthor Henry Joy McCracken, of the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris.

But this finding has thrown a wrench in modern galaxy formation models - these massive galaxies shouldn't even exist; these monsters represent approximately half of the galaxies that were present between 1.1 and 1.5 billion years after the Big Bang. Models predict that only small galaxies should have existed during this epoch.

What's more, according to an ESO press release, these large galaxies contain huge quantities of dust. In fact, they have to be really dusty for the UltraVISTA survey to detect them at all. This is yet another contradiction to current galaxy formation models.

So what's going on? At the very least, there's a fundamental problem with our galactic formation theories and we need to gain a better view of these titanic galaxies so we can at least understand some of their characteristics. This discovery could ultimately revolutionize how we view the mechanisms driving stellar and galactic evolution.

Astronomers are now turning to the powerful Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) for answers. The observatory will try to verify VISTA and Spitzer's observations, adding another layer of detail to the mystery. Then, the ESO's 39-meter European Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT), which is planned to go online in 2024, will be called to action.

In order to understand these monsters of the depths of the cosmos, we'll need the sheer observational power of some of the most state-of-the-art observatories on the planet. Only then can we better theorize about how these galaxies existed at the dawn of the time.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; cosmology; galaxy; haltonarp; space
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1 posted on 11/19/2015 12:26:11 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

APinGGG-OD!.................


2 posted on 11/19/2015 12:26:45 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger
What's more, according to an ESO press release, these large galaxies contain huge quantities of dust.

For dust thou art, and to dust thou shall return.....................

3 posted on 11/19/2015 12:29:52 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger
Models predict that only small galaxies should have existed during this epoch.

Computer 'modeling' is not science. GIGO........................

4 posted on 11/19/2015 12:31:32 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

There’s no Big Bang.

God is infinite.


5 posted on 11/19/2015 12:34:15 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Red Badger

How dare the universe not comply with our scientific theories! Somebody needs to protest this micro-aggression right now!


6 posted on 11/19/2015 1:04:45 PM PST by Scirparius
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To: Red Badger

“shouldn’t exist”
Kinda stupid. They exist. Scientists’ theories are wrong and need to be revised. Science studies that which is observable and tries to form theories that explain reality. When reality defies the theories the theories are wrong.


7 posted on 11/19/2015 1:05:43 PM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.)
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To: I want the USA back; SunkenCiv; All

When your income is attached to established theories, it is hard and courageous to change ones mind. It also tends to make you feel kind of stupid to be wrong.


8 posted on 11/19/2015 1:09:04 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Red Badger; brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...
Thanks Red Badger, extra to APoD.

9 posted on 11/19/2015 1:10:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Talisker
There’s no Big Bang.

God is infinite.

The Big Bang or any other model of the cosmos that indicates that time and space and all matter and energy had a beginning is strong evidence for an infinite something that transcends space, time, energy, and material and is powerful enough to cause it to exist (directly or indirectly). The theory itself was first proposed by Georges Lemaitre who was a Jesuit Priest as well as a brilliant mathematician.

Belief systems that are hard to reconcile with the Big Bang would be:

* Atheism: After decades of resisting the theory, modern atheists now usually appeal to an infinite multi-verse where big bangs happen all the time (which amusingly will imply an infinite number of pink unicorns in other worlds which we can't see...ie invisible pink unicorns), or even try to argue the big bang was caused by nothing.

* Young Earth Creationists: since it implies the natural world is 14 billion or so years old which is significantly more than 6000 one gets by taking the first Genesis narratives literally.

* Pantheists: since they believe the natural world IS God rather than a God outside it, they need the natural world to be eternal into the past.

On the other hand, Old Earth Creationist view that a God outside of space and time and all powerful created the natural universe and everything in it, finds good support in the Big Bang.

10 posted on 11/19/2015 1:24:59 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Talisker

I’m pretty sure that when God said, “Let there be light!” there was a Big Bang!..................


11 posted on 11/19/2015 1:44:44 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Scirparius

#GalacticLivesMatter..........................


12 posted on 11/19/2015 1:46:10 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

A very important observation. IMO, we should place more emphasis on studying the universe so we can see what it contains instead of theorizing what it contains. We need more scopes so we can see what is there and we need better particle accelerators so we can see what’s inside it.

More facts.

Less theory.


13 posted on 11/19/2015 2:50:01 PM PST by sig226
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv

Mom! They broke my model!


14 posted on 11/19/2015 4:38:57 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: AndyTheBear
The Big Bang Never Happened
15 posted on 11/19/2015 4:57:30 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Red Badger

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. Thanks very much for posting.


16 posted on 11/19/2015 5:01:51 PM PST by lbryce (OBAMA:Misbegotten, GodForsaken, Bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa)
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To: Talisker

>There’s no Big Bang.
>God is infinite.

With infinity, all questions come. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG1JpC5jels


17 posted on 11/19/2015 5:07:37 PM PST by soycd
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To: Red Badger

I’m pretty sure that when God said, “Let there be light!” there was a Big Bang!..................

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In the story The Last Question, it was one awesome computer.


18 posted on 11/19/2015 5:13:39 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: sig226

Our scientific instruments are already creating huge volumes of data.

The article we’re discussing used data collected since 2009.


19 posted on 11/19/2015 5:16:38 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Talisker

There’s no Big Bang.

God is infinite.

...

Countably infinite, or some other type of infinite?


20 posted on 11/19/2015 5:17:50 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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