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X-ray technique 'reads' burnt Vesuvius scroll
BBC ^ | 20 January 2015 | Jonathan Webb

Posted on 01/20/2015 12:10:59 PM PST by rdl6989

For the first time, words have been read from a burnt, rolled-up scroll buried by Mount Vesuvius in AD79.

The scrolls of Herculaneum, the only classical library still in existence, were blasted by volcanic gas hotter than 300C and are desperately fragile.

Deep inside one scroll, physicists distinguished the ink from the paper using a 3D X-ray imaging technique sometimes used in breast scans.

They believe that other scrolls could also be deciphered without unrolling.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 3dxray; burntscrolls; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; herculaneum; mountvesuvius; pompeii; romanempire; vesuvius; villaofthepapyri
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To: rdl6989

A mysterious text was decoded to read, “Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.”


21 posted on 01/20/2015 12:58:19 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Angelina Jolie advised them to destroy the scrolls just to be safe.


22 posted on 01/20/2015 1:01:43 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: rdl6989
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23 posted on 01/20/2015 1:03:01 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: rdl6989; SunkenCiv

Gaius Corpulus to Flatulus Maxius:

Greetings to you and to all in your household. To your wife and children I send my best wishes for health and prosperity. And I do beseech you to remind that mischievous Celtic slave girl to keep our little secret. I am confident you will not endeavor to enquire of her as to its nature.

My thoughts often turn to home and the superb wine pressed from the vineyards on the slopes of Vesuvius. And it is on the subject of Vesuvius that is the occasion for this epistle.

My travels in the East have introduced me to certain men of knowledge, and who claim that the superb soil of a region is sometimes associated with the past wrath of Vulcan displayed in a fury of fire, smoke and terrible destruction. They further informed that such incidents follow not long on the heels of great shaking of the ground as Vulcan himself hammers his forge closer and closer to those to whom he would bring harm.

You no doubt remember clearly the great shaking that destroyed much of Pompeii just two years before I was called to my first tour of duty in Cappadocia. And so I write urge that you and your family relocate to Rome or Capua without delay.

Whatever you do — don’t roll up this letter and stick it on the shelf.


24 posted on 01/20/2015 1:04:11 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv; GreyFriar

Unrolling the scrolls has proved difficult and destructive


Analysis is a painstaking job because the layers of paper are squashed and twisted


The scrolls are the only library known to have survived from classical times

The work was time-consuming and involved a lot of guesswork, particularly because the layers of paper were not just rolled, but squashed and mangled by their encounter with Vesuvius.

Furthermore, the grid of papyrus fibres within the paper posed complications, because it disguised many of the letters' vertical and horizontal strokes. For this reason, letters with curved lines were easier to pick out.

Simply amazing! Having visited Herculaneum and Pompeii, and seen the total destruction, this technology will serve to open up some of the secrets lost when Vesuvius erupted.

25 posted on 01/20/2015 1:25:56 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: rdl6989; SunkenCiv
If your technology or even funding does not allow a method to research an object or site, lock it up, bury it or do something to permit the next generation to have a go.

I suppose to past generations that was a bit like pointing a box out to a kid and ordering, whatever you do, don't look in the box.

26 posted on 01/20/2015 1:42:07 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: rdl6989
I just looked it up, I didn’t know tomatoes were from the New World.

And your excuse for listing corn is...?

Hmmm????

27 posted on 01/20/2015 3:18:44 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: rdl6989

It is pretty hard to imagine Italian cuisine before the tomato.


28 posted on 01/20/2015 3:24:25 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: rdl6989

AD 79.

Imagine the discovery of New Testament writings predating anything now known, and written from first hand knowledge!


29 posted on 01/20/2015 3:29:18 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: colorado tanker

The discovery of the theater in Herculaneum also makes me a little ill — the idiot aristocrat used the find (and the theater was roofed, and the roof had survived, so the actual interior of the theater was basically a buried room, left as it had been 1900 years ago) as a gift shop, stripping it of all the statuary and shipping those off to peers and relatives throughout Europe.

Another great story — the excavators, who were risking their lives anyway, came across a wall with gold letters nailed to it, containing a message of some sort, probably a dedication from whomever had built the building. The excavators pried off all the letters and presented them to their boss, so the message (which is the only real value there) was lost. Work of genius.


30 posted on 01/21/2015 2:38:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: BenLurkin

;’)


31 posted on 01/21/2015 2:38:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: null and void

It wouldn’t do much at all, because the current canonical version(s) is(are) the only one(s) that anyone would accept. Any older versions would be rejected as attacks on Christianity. There were a couple of “Secret Gospel of Mark” versions circulating in classical and post-classical times that were branded heretical, and wound up in the Vatican archives, the rest of the copies burned. Not sure the archive copies have survived to this day.


32 posted on 01/21/2015 2:42:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: NYer

The ones that have been opened (and mostly destroyed) in the past proved to contain writings of Epicurean philosophers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philodemus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum_papyri

http://ancphil.lsa.umich.edu/-/downloads/papyri/JankoRecentDevelopments.pdf


33 posted on 01/21/2015 2:45:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: null and void

Corn meant wheat before 1492. :’) Avocado, though...


34 posted on 01/21/2015 2:46:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

And in Old English, “corn” meant little roundish thing — one OE poem mentions “corns of hail” (hence corned beef and a corn on the toe).


35 posted on 01/21/2015 2:58:16 AM PST by maryz
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To: maryz

Thanks maryz!

http://www.bonappetit.com/test-kitchen/ingredients/article/the-etymology-of-the-word-corn


36 posted on 01/21/2015 3:44:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Oxyrhynchus keyword:
37 posted on 01/21/2015 4:00:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Google search hits for "Villa of the Papyri", newest to oldest, duplicates out:
38 posted on 01/21/2015 4:26:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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X-rays reveal words in Vesuvius-baked scrolls
http://www.nature.com/news/x-rays-reveal-words-in-vesuvius-baked-scrolls-1.16763

High-Tech Imaging Detects Letters in Carbonized Scroll
http://www.archaeology.org/news/2908-150120-herculaneum-papyri-imaging


39 posted on 01/21/2015 6:24:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hard to say. In the days of the internet they couldn’t be as effectively suppressed.

They would eventually have a shot at being part of the canon.


40 posted on 01/21/2015 7:58:03 AM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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