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Ultraviolet light shone on cold winter conundrum
BBC ^ | October 9, 2011 | Richard Black

Posted on 10/09/2011 12:51:24 PM PDT by decimon

Recent cold winters that brought chaos to the UK and other places in northern Europe may have their roots in the Sun's varying ultraviolet emissions.

The latest satellite data shows the UV output is far more changeable than scientists had previously thought.

A UK scientific team now shows in Nature Geoscience journal how these changes lead to warmer winters in some places and colder winters in others.

The researchers emphasise there is no impact on global warming.

The Sun has recently been in a quiet phase of its regular 11-year cycle, which co-incided with three years in which the UK, along with other places in northern Europe and parts of the US, experienced cold conditions unusual in the recent record.

But unusually warm weather was felt both further south, around the Mediterranean Sea, and further north in Canada and Greenland.

"The key point is that this effect is a change in the circulation, moving air from one place to another, which is why some places get cold and others get warm," said Adam Scaife, one of the researchers on the paper, who heads the UK Met Office's Seasonal to Decadal Prediction team.

"It's a jigsaw puzzle, and when you average it up over the globe, there is no effect on global temperatures," he told BBC News.

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"The Little Ice Age wasn't really an ice age of any kind - the idea that Europe had a relentless sequence of cold winters is frankly barking, but there was a larger proportion of cold winters," he told BBC News.

"We now have a viable explanation of why that happened - nothing to do with global warming, but in terms of temperature re-distribution around the north Atlantic."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climate

1 posted on 10/09/2011 12:51:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv; steelyourfaith

Ping

This is most interesting.


2 posted on 10/09/2011 12:52:43 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The researchers emphasise there is no impact on global warming.

So, the sun and UV radiation have no impact on global warming....

Some people just need to get smacked upsida their heads...........

3 posted on 10/09/2011 12:54:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: decimon

One of the more annoying aspects of climate change pseudoscience has been the assumption, even the assertion, that the sun’s output of energy is a constant as is the composition of said energy in terms of the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

While the pseudoscientists model, project and generally fib about CO2, water vapor, emissions, etc. they leave out the most important item in the equation i.e. the Sun.


4 posted on 10/09/2011 12:56:15 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: decimon
"The Little Ice Age wasn't really an ice age of any kind - the idea that Europe had a relentless sequence of cold winters is frankly barking, but there was a larger proportion of cold winters," he told BBC News.

Failure of credibility. This man is revealed as a flunkie here. The "Little Ice Age" has been documented with actual surrogate data collected worldwide. It was not simply a European cold spell. You can look it up starting with Roy Spencer's summary of the real research.

Incompetence abounds in the climate change whorehouse, and the Met Office has long been their main Madam in the UK.

5 posted on 10/09/2011 12:57:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: decimon; golux; proud_yank; Bockscar; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; Whenifhow; ...
Thanx for the ping decimon !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 10/09/2011 1:08:23 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: decimon

Cannot be, The sun has nothing to do with the temperature on earth, only man made CO2 can do this or so I have been told. /S


7 posted on 10/09/2011 1:23:42 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: decimon

Why are cold winters bringing chaos to the UK?
We always have cold winters in Wisconsin.
Some are colder than others, but I would not use the word chaos to describe when you need to put on a heavier coat and gloves.


8 posted on 10/09/2011 1:26:07 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: decimon
shows the UV output is far more changeable than scientists had previously thought

Precious. They admit they don't know it all, and then they demand we believe this has nothing to do with warming.

Sure, we believe you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

9 posted on 10/09/2011 1:41:42 PM PDT by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

That’s absolutely true, as dogma is inured to facts.


10 posted on 10/09/2011 2:27:22 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: call meVeronica

Bump


11 posted on 10/09/2011 2:30:24 PM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: decimon
The researchers emphasise there is no impact on global warming.

Oh no siree, absolutely not, no way, nohow.

12 posted on 10/09/2011 2:33:33 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: decimon
The latest satellite data shows the UV output is far more changeable than scientists had previously thought.

I don't know why any "scientist" should have thought that. UV is way out on the short-wavelength tail of the sum's emission spectrum. Even a slight shift of the peak of that spectrum, toward either longer or shorter wavelengths, is going to make a big difference in the tails. Nothing surprising here.

13 posted on 10/09/2011 3:09:29 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: decimon
For over a couple of decades the Climate Change Worshipers have denied that solar intensity changes have any affect on the Earths atmosphere. Now that we have observational data proving them absolutely wrong, they have fallen back to the position that, yes well the solar activity changes do have an affect on the atmosphere, but it only affects the distribution of atmospheric energy ?

These people are just plain stupid.

14 posted on 10/09/2011 4:31:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: JoeFromSidney
I don't know why any "scientist" should have thought that.

There is no historical data on the Sun's output in even the visible part of spectrum, let alone UV or IR, prior to the 20th century. Back then astronomers could only count sunspots, and only relatively recently.

If the "climate scientist" allows the Sun into his equations then he has no equations, and no money, and no influence. You can't build a theory of something if the most important factor in that theory is one big unknown for most of the time.

15 posted on 10/09/2011 4:43:33 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard
There is no historical data on the Sun's output in even the visible part of spectrum, let alone UV or IR, prior to the 20th century. Back then astronomers could only count sunspots, and only relatively recently.

The issue is not measurements, but Planck's Law, which describes the spectrum, and was published in 1900. Once that law is known, the relationship between changes in total solar output and solar output in the UV are clear. A minor rise in temperature, that shifts the peak wavelength only slightly toward the short wavelengths, will cause a proportionately much greater increase in UV output. That's why I say no scientist should be surprised that there's a lot of variability in the sun's UV output. On the short wavelength end, Planck's law is very sensitive to minor changes in temperature.

16 posted on 10/09/2011 4:55:22 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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Thanks decimon.
Recent cold winters... may have their roots in the Sun's varying ultraviolet emissions.



17 posted on 10/09/2011 7:19:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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