Svante Paabo: DNA clues to our inner Neanderthal

Daily Exchange ^ | Wednesday, August 31, 2011 | Ted Talks (?)

[SunkenCiv]

Sharing the results of a massive, worldwide study, geneticist Svante Pääbo shows the DNA proof that early humans mated with Neanderthals after we moved out of Africa. (Yes, many of us have Neanderthal DNA.) He also shows how a tiny bone from a baby finger was enough to identify a whole new humanoid species. Svante Pääbo explores human genetic evolution by analyzing DNA extracted from ancient sources, including mummies, an Ice Age hunter and the bone fragments of Neanderthals.

[SunkenCiv]

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

He also shows how a tiny bone from a baby finger was enough to identify a whole new humanoid species.

Which, in a nutshell, defines the inherent and complete idiocy of claiming that "hominid palaentology" is "science."

[SunkenCiv]

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There's a link (not an embed) to the mp4 video, I listened to it as well as I could at work yesterday, running it three times in succession because, well, it's work, which is where I work when I work. The Neandertal Enigma by James Shreeve in local libraries Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127] To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

[muawiyah]

DNA was found in the finger bone ~ and, as everyone knows, DNA is microscopic YET it controls every physical essence of our being.

So what's idiotic here?

[Savage Beast]

"Yes, many of us have Neanderthal DNA."

Stating the obvious! The Democrat Party and the entire staff of the New York Times, for example, are obviously Neanderthals. We didn't need DNA to prove it.

In fact, judging from the U.S. electorate, homosapiens DNA is probably less prevalent than Neandethal in the population.

[SunkenCiv]

The inventor of the technique was a young Earth creationist and Biblical catastrophist, so you may be onto something there.

[SunkenCiv]

Neandertal ancestry is the only thing western civilization has going for it.

[G Larry]

If “modern man” coexisted with the neanderthal, then it wasn’t evolution was it?

[PapaBear3625]

Neanderthal genetic research site at UCSC referred to in the video.

[exDemMom]

Fascinating stuff. I’ve often thought I would like to turn my talents towards examining fossils and learning what ancient life was like. But since I’ve never actually encountered a paleontological/molecular biological research group dedicated to such study, and medical research has tons of opportunities and is quite lucrative, I simply have not seriously looked into making such a career change.

[exDemMom]

If “modern man” coexisted with the neanderthal, then it wasn’t evolution was it?

There is nothing about evolution which precludes newer species from existing side by side with older species.

[Vaquero]

Which, in a nutshell, defines the inherent and complete idiocy of claiming that “hominid palaentology” is “science.”

when you are scrambling around for minuscule amounts of DNA and the like....your science is limited considerably...

that does not make it not science...on the contrary it makes it exceptional science to be able to eek out what they got from the lack of evidence...This does not make their findings rote gospel...this makes it a great beginning towards the ultimate answers....

[FrogMom]

I’m confused. He said that Neandethals were never in Africa. And yet “modern man” came out of Africa and mixed with them.

How is that possible? He’s suggesting that two species of humanoids developed completely independantly and yet could interbreed.

I don’t dispute that we probably mixed with whatever was close to us, I do dispute that Neanderthals were never in Africa. Did they not almost have to have ancestors in common or they wouldn’t have been able to breed?

Instruct me, SunkenCiv, where am I going wrong?

[SunkenCiv]

They (and we) had common ancestors. One of the foolish errors made over and over, perhaps beginning with R. Virchow, is to claim that different looks means different origins.

[DaxtonBrown]

An interesting question would be “Who has the MOST Neanderthal genetic makeup?”. Since the percentage varies.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

The inventor of the technique was a young Earth creationist and Biblical catastrophist

That's the only thing I can see to recommend it. His error, however, is in adopting the flawed mindset of the evolutionist.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

An interesting question would be “Who has the MOST Neanderthal genetic makeup?”

Mike Tyson.

[aruanan]

An interesting question would be “Who has the MOST Neanderthal genetic makeup?”

Mike Tyson.

From strictly a genetic point of view: more likely Carrot Top.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks, but that’s a pretty stupid thing to say, and it was the first couple of thousand times someone said it on FR.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/arguments-we-dont-use

Arguments that should never be used
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7. If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today. (In an evolutionary worldview, mankind did not evolve from apes but from an apelike ancestor, from which both humans and apes of today supposedly evolved.)

[blam]

"Neandertal ancestry is the only thing western civilization has going for it."

Neandertal ancestry is the best thing western civilization has going for it.