At the HP Visual and Spatial Technology Centre in Birmingham, Vincent Gaffney and the North Sea Palaeolandscapes team don special glasses for a 3-D view of the channel of the ancient Shotton River. (Courtesy Vincent Gaffney)
Posted on 02/01/2007 8:59:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv
The map in front of me is 12 feet across, and glows in unfocused luminous orange. When I put on battery-operated polarizing glasses, it jumps sharply into three dimensions... Through the millennia that people have been in northern Europe, sea levels have risen and fallen as glaciers have retreated and advanced, periodically exposing land the size of California around Britain's shores. Often this land supported a variety of terrestrial life, from mammoths to people, in environments ranging from tundra to forest. Deep under the North Sea today are likely to be perfectly preserved plant and animal remains, human bones, and stone tools, sealed in stratified deposits--a historic archive of rare value now threatened by industrial activity... "No one knows where the great European rivers once flowed," says Vincent Gaffney, a driven, ebullient archaeologist... The techniques developed here could do the same around the world.
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At the HP Visual and Spatial Technology Centre in Birmingham, Vincent Gaffney and the North Sea Palaeolandscapes team don special glasses for a 3-D view of the channel of the ancient Shotton River. (Courtesy Vincent Gaffney)
Stone Age Sites Found Under North Sea (8,000BC)
University Of Newcastle On Tyne | 9-12-2003
Posted on 12/09/2003 8:30:54 PM EST by blam
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Scientists Discover Lost World (8,000 Years Old)
BBC | 2-15-2004
Posted on 02/15/2004 7:03:44 PM EST by blam
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Aw, c'mon, it can't *compare* with the Bison poop DNA topic.
If there really IS an Atlantis, this is where I'm betting it is. The location's right, "beyond the Pillars of Hercules," and populated areas could have been inundated suddenly in an interglacial period. I've been thinking for a long time that the tale fits with this region's geological and possibly anthropological history.
Fortyfive miles from the coast, from a depth of thirty-six metres, Norfolk fishermen drew up a spearhead carved from the antler of a deer, embedded in a block of peat. This artifact dates from the Mesolithic or early Neolithic Age and serves as one of many proofs that the area covered by the North Sea was a place of human habitation not many thousands of years ago...
Earth In Upheaval. page 160.
Immanuel Velikovsky.
H. G. Wells discusses the former unity of Britain with the rest of Europe in his "History of the World". If memory serves. :')
Yeah, I agree with you. I do think that a similar situation prevailed all over the world when the world sealevels were much lower during the glaciations.
He was too busy inventing the Clovis point.
Too tired to read your Sundaland argument, blam. I'll study it tomorrow. How likely is it that the story of such an Asian disaster would have been preserved in Greek history? I think it far more likely to have been passed down if it happened nearer to continental Europe. No doubt many civilizations have been inundated by sudden floods like the one that created the Scablands in Washington state when ancient Lake Missoula created its 'instant irrigation project.' As for the 9000 year date, I doubt it's anywhere close to reliable. I think it's philosopher talk for "Long, long ago in a country far away...."
... for then the land was higher and stretched out farther than ever, and it is said the Thames ran into the Rhine, "Ireland, England, and the Continent being united, the Thames was a tributary of the Rhine," page 274.
http://www.stempublishing.com/authors/darby/NOTESCOM/44014E.html
How can Sundaland fit it?
Most basically, "Beyond the Pillars or Hercules" is to the WEST.
Sundaland is to the far, far East.
Plato wasn't a round-earther.
As I wrote earlier, there are plenty of spots around the globe that probably got incremental or very fast flooding due to the Big Melt. Sundaland was one as were the North Atlantic, Mediterranean, Caribbean, the North Sea and Baltic areas, and lots of others including your favorite (and one of mine), the Black Sea deluge. All of these were within the span of human oral history and Great Flood stories survive in every area of the world.
The Atlantis tale probably has some basis in fact. But I think Plato's story is like that parlor game where one person starts a rumor and passes it on around the room, person to person, until it emerges in wildly embroidered form. Plato was simply the last guy in the chain. I doubt the truth will ever be known unless somebody dredges a hunk of rock out of the ocean somewhere with "ATLANTIS" carved on it.
Darwin's Beagle field notebooks (1831-1836)
I have certain proof that the S. part of continent of S. America has been elevated from 4 to 500 feet within the epoch of the existence of such shells as are now found on the coasts. It may possibly have been much more on the sea-coast & probably more in the Cordilleras. If the Andes were lowered till they formed (perhaps 3-4000 ft) a mere peninsula with outlying Islands, would not the climate probably be more like that of the S. Sea Islands, than its present parched nature. — At a remote Geological aera, I can show that this grand chain consisted of Volcanic Islands, covered with luxuriant forests, some of the trees out one of which, 15 feet in circumference, I have seen silicified & imbedded in marine strata. — If the mountains rose slowly, the change of climate would also deteriorate slowly; I know of no reason for denying that a large part of this may have taken place since S. America was peopled...
http://darwin-online.org.uk/
LOL. Now do you care to investigate what that epoch's time period might be? Some sea creatures have been around millions upon millions of years, much longer than our species -- especially modern humans. We go back only a million years or less. Also, there's a huge difference between the 400-500 foot elevation change in your example and the 12,500-foot elevation of Lake Titicaca! Localized elevation changes like Darwin describes can easily occur over "short" spans of a few million years. Mountain-building is a slow, incremental process that takes place on an enormously long time scale. This site gives a little insight into how it occurs: Orogeny
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