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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.

But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.

And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.

And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.

That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.

Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.


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To: blasater1960
Where have the real Christians gone? Here's one.

 
Paul Ryan, Family Man and proud of it!

501 posted on 08/11/2012 8:05:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Kevmo

Yam has been a rogue for years. I guess Yam got his final brown sugaring, cinnamoning, marshmallowing, buttering, cashewing, and baking.


502 posted on 08/11/2012 8:06:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Artcore

It would be nice if you guys showed half the disgust you show for Romney to Obama.
***And it would be nice if you guys stopped sowing discord among conservatives on a conservative website, trying to separate them from their conservative beliefs to vote for a librul. We all agree that your time would be better spent converting 0bots into mittbots. The fact that you choose to continue spreading discord among conservatives is proof that you aint conservative. Free Republic is a conservative website, not a republican website.


503 posted on 08/11/2012 8:06:26 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Innovative

“...being responsible for everything Obama will do in his second term?”

Bingo, Sir!


504 posted on 08/11/2012 8:06:44 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Salvation
Great photo!


505 posted on 08/11/2012 8:06:51 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: centurion316

“Nonsense. Romney will be bound by an increased conservative majority in the Congress. Obama will know no such bounds.”

You have it completely backward. A conservative GOP congress will hold Obama in check, but will kowtow to a liberal Romney out of party loyalty.

That is reality. At least closser to it than what you have written.


506 posted on 08/11/2012 8:06:55 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: All

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Holiness (Paul Ryan)

507 posted on 08/11/2012 8:07:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Sola Veritas

Or perhaps he could be telling the truth.

I don’t think he is lieing. Why do you?


508 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:04 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I committed this whole election business to the will of God and cast it on Him. I know that God does allow less than stellar men to rule at times for His own reasons. - So, I must decide once and for all to wait on the Lord, and decide do I trust Him or don’t I. - I’ve prayed early on, “God help us! You see what kind of man is exalted to a position of almost dictatorship in this country; this is not right. Most of all, Thy will be done!” - Am praying about Romney/Ryan, don’t know yet what sort of a stink Hussein and minions will stir up during the next couple of months. Scripture does say in the Psalms that the “wicked walk on every side when evil men are exalted”.


509 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Politicalmom

Here means the context of the immediate discussion at hand, and you know it. Not that someone with an FR login hasn’t said so (and promptly gotten zotted therefor).


510 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Earthdweller

“Well I’m sorry for what your Jewish father went through..my father made difficult choices as well...but he did not survive. My background is religious stew...Catholic mother, Protestant father, Mormon in-laws and now I am studying JUDAISM. I could care less about Romney’s religion.

That said...voting for Romney is not going to save this nation...anyone who believes that to be true is sadly mistaken. G-d bless.”

~ ~ ~

Did you know the roots of Catholicism are Judaism?

I know you won’t believe me now, the messages from Heaven
have been saying for 14 years in my reading them, the
Remnant is Roman Catholic. We are close to divine events
prophesied.

Read a Douay-Rheims Bible http://www.drbo.org/, the Catechism, both are on line, read the writings of the saints. Type in Catholic Apologetics before your subject concerning the faith. Best advise, pray, ask Our Lord if He is truly present in the Holy Eucharist. Belief in the Eucharist is really the way...start at the top.

God bless you,


511 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:59 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, as a born-again Christian, who has studied the major doctrines of the Bible extensively and has read it from cover-to-cover seven times, I agree that Mormonism is false teaching by a false prophet, however, it isn’t his Mormonism that Romney is or will be touting, it’s his politics. And the politics that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are touting is not anti-American, anti-religious, anti-freedom, anti-business, racism. Yet, this is Barack Obama’s politics and those policies are destroying our country and destroying our freedoms. And yes, I would rather have a RINO Mormon in the White House, than a Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Muslim, illegal alien, thug in the White House.

Jim, should everyone with a car, park it or sell it, because the oil used to run them, enriches entire nations of America-hating, Allah worshiping, terrorists? Where does it end? If we avoid everything and everyone that is contrary to the scriptures, we would have to, as the Apostle Paul said, “Go out of the world.” Remember, Jesus said to let the wheat and the tares grow together... He will do the separating and the judging, when He comes.


512 posted on 08/11/2012 8:08:59 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: Sola Veritas

No you are wrong.

Obama is given all sorts of extras in his job due to his race.

Frankly he was elected mostly for that reason.

He is most certainly not playing by the same rules.

Period.


513 posted on 08/11/2012 8:09:09 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Southnsoul
Very well said.


514 posted on 08/11/2012 8:10:11 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Southnsoul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU&feature=player_embedded


515 posted on 08/11/2012 8:10:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The stark truth is that most freepers who are in the neverMitt camp still cheer every time that Mitt socks it to Barack.

So when has Romney ever "socked" it to Barack?

Romney: Obama Is A Nice Guy, But We Can't Afford Four More Years

516 posted on 08/11/2012 8:11:08 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Southnsoul

Yes, but you are asking the wheat to help plant more tares.


517 posted on 08/11/2012 8:11:11 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Jim Robinson

Sorry this crap is still going on, Mr. Robinson. You have been clear and consistent as far as I can see.

You don’t support Mittens but you tolerate those who do as long as they don’t harass those who do not. You have been clear about why you don’t support Mittens...gun control, abortion, homosex social and legal dominance, socialized medicine, support of bankster bailouts (fascism, debt) and more. These are the opposite of everything conservatives stand for both economically and socially. Obama, too, is everything we beleive in turned up-side-down.

Mormonism is discussed under the rules of the religious moderator who was consistent in not permitting personal attacks- only discussion of the theology. I have not seen violations of that go unaddressed. Mormonism has a lot in the closet that comes out on here and that is not “hate.” It is not bigotry, either, because bigotry implies ignorance of the topic/group and the people discussing Moronism are not ignorant of the topic they are discussing and they support their statements with facts. Rinos demanded no one mention Mitt’s Mormonism during the election; trying to pull another rule of political correctness to protect a dark place or a secret. You made clear that you were not obeying this nonsense. A president’s faith does matter in his character. In Mitt case, it adds up to fascism in practice.

Anyway, I am sorry this election has brought about so much turmoil on Free Republic. Hope it settles down! We’re here, we’re not queer, get used to it! :)


518 posted on 08/11/2012 8:11:21 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Judge Kovitzky

A Tea Party Conservative? How so? Many here have just confirmed he is a RINO. The fact that he would even breath the same air as Romney makes him a RINO! /Sarc/


519 posted on 08/11/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: stpio

I mean no disrespect to you or your beliefs, but I don’t discuss religion on FR.


520 posted on 08/11/2012 8:12:51 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: SaraJohnson

Excellent post, Sara.


521 posted on 08/11/2012 8:14:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: SE Mom

If you don’t fit, neither do I. I’m not Mormon. I’m lifelong Lutheran. But I spent 4 years in Salt Lake City dealing with Mormon influence and know this. Their religion rules most aspects of their lives, it’s antithetical to my beliefs. But that should not be an issue when it comes to the national stage. It shouldn’t for Lutherans, Catholics, Jews. Our nation, the Constitution we hold dear, allows freedom of religion. If we on FR don’t acknowledge that same tenet here, we don’t deserve to exist. It’s part of the essence of the Constitution we claim to honor.

I’ve had my problems with Mormonism, but that has to be put behind me when it comes to this candidate and his religion. We’re at the point where in the next few months we will continue to be a union or we will soon lose our freedom. Anyone holding opposition to Mormonism over national sovereignty is wrong. Flat our wrong, if that opposition is more important than our vote in November.

We have a choice. We’d best think long and hard about what our decision will be. This is NOT the 2008 election redux.


522 posted on 08/11/2012 8:15:16 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Sola Veritas

Your disjointed “logic” is oddly captivating.

As for your last comment, I am not ashamed of anything I have written. I simply stated my view based on my history while reiterating my belief that EVERYONE has their own choice to make and should do so according to his/her conscience.

When did I EVER equate Mormonism with Anti-Semetism? In my opinion, you are radically challenged intellectually, and likely dangerous.


523 posted on 08/11/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: centurion316
Romney will be bound by an increased conservative majority in the Congress.

You really believe that, with Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell running the show on the Hill?

524 posted on 08/11/2012 8:16:28 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Earthdweller

Good enough.Just could’nt figure out why.Take care


525 posted on 08/11/2012 8:17:40 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: Sola Veritas
A conservative GOP congress will hold Obama in check

I presume that you are referring to their record in this regard since the election of 2010? What makes you think that this will get better in a second term? Hint: it won't.

526 posted on 08/11/2012 8:18:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: TurkeyLurkey

No offense, how can “born again” Christians be so holy?

“Through the blood of Christ.

And holy means to be separated unto God—only one way, through Christ.”

~ ~ ~

How can you proclaim “born agains” to be holy when you all
approve of the use Contraception, ???, an intrinsic evil.

Oh yeah, “Jesus’ atonement, He did it all on the Cross”, you’re free to commit grave sin.

You ran from my question on Contraception.


527 posted on 08/11/2012 8:18:47 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Southnsoul
Jim, should everyone with a car, park it or sell it, because the oil used to run them, enriches entire nations of America-hating, Allah worshiping, terrorists? Where does it end? If we avoid everything and everyone that is contrary to the scriptures, we would have to, as the Apostle Paul said, “Go out of the world.” Remember, Jesus said to let the wheat and the tares grow together... He will do the separating and the judging, when He comes.

Great post.

I see a lot of hate and hateful language on here, and it isn't coming from just one side.

I have been on this site and loved it for many many years. Can't even begin to count the number of hours I have spent on here.

I get the sad feeling I am watching it die before my very eyes though.

528 posted on 08/11/2012 8:19:14 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That WAS from “the immediate discussion at hand”.


529 posted on 08/11/2012 8:19:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Sola Veritas; CWSNTEXAS

The fact that the National SOCIALISTS came to power on the support of people willing to throw reason to the wind in order to get out of their then current circumstance seems lost on many on FR as of late.

But then again, these are people who think that your vote for a person does not mean that you support them/their policies.

In short, people are once again throwing reason to the wind and ‘hoping’ for ‘change’. Four years ago, such people were called idiots by the very people who now embrace their ideals. How freaking mindless is that? Abandoning your very reason out of fear never results in a positive outcome.


530 posted on 08/11/2012 8:19:58 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: RegulatorCountry
They won in 1988 and would have done so easily if so many hadn't thrown a temper tantrum against the GOP in 1992. remember that gave us eight years of the Clinton.

Clinton is the only elected two term Democrat since FDR and he NEVER received a majority vote. I intend to keep his legacy intact by voting against Obama and for some R&R.

531 posted on 08/11/2012 8:20:10 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Salvation

His own social conservative creds are nigh impeccable. I am a fightin’ fundie not a Roman Catholic, but I concur with the Roman Catholic view of social conservatism in 95+% of cases, the differences mainly being where the theology has not well developed in evangelical circles.

Will the ever waffling Romney finally put his breakfast pastry to rest on social conservatism issues, with Ryan on the team? Excellent question. I sincerely hope he will. I can’t predict one way or the other.


532 posted on 08/11/2012 8:20:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Jim Robinson

God bless you, Jim. If we had even a half-dozen in DC with your spine, our country would bein a lot better shape.

May you remain unbowed by the voices of politicall correctness - even those masquerading as “conservatives.”

Hank


533 posted on 08/11/2012 8:21:11 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Sola Veritas

“Obama is given all sorts of extras in his job due to his race.
Frankly he was elected mostly for that reason.
He is most certainly not playing by the same rules.”

Not to mention czars, EO’s, and implementing his statist/racist desires through the DOJ, DHS, etc. There are countless ways for him to screw the country that Congress can’t do jack about.


534 posted on 08/11/2012 8:21:18 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Respectfully disagree with you.

This ticket is better than Obama/Romney by a landslide. Ryan’s one of us, I think.

You’re right that it ought to be reversed, but it isn’t.

Romney picking him means they know damn well they can’t win without conservatives behind him, and they know Romney doesn’t have them.

It doesn’t mean Romney isn’t going way left after elected, like most other Republicans in DC, but this is worth my vote.


535 posted on 08/11/2012 8:21:22 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Cinnamontea

bump #380


536 posted on 08/11/2012 8:22:50 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: stpio

Evangelical theology is marked by a return to the bible, which does not go as far as developed Catholic theology on the question. The Catholic theology sounds admirable, but from an evangelical point of view it isn’t biblical; it is at best a noble conjecture on a matter that the bible is silent about.

Catholics may disagree with evangelicals but they ought to understand why.


537 posted on 08/11/2012 8:23:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Southnsoul
Jim, should everyone with a car, park it or sell it, because the oil used to run them, enriches entire nations of America-hating, Allah worshiping, terrorists? Where does it end? If we avoid everything and everyone that is contrary to the scriptures, we would have to, as the Apostle Paul said, “Go out of the world.” Remember, Jesus said to let the wheat and the tares grow together... He will do the separating and the judging, when He comes.

Well stated, Southnsoul.

538 posted on 08/11/2012 8:23:20 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’m guessing that you think that things will be much better with Obama in his second term with no requirement to stand for reelection. Let me know how that works out for you.


539 posted on 08/11/2012 8:23:20 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: silentreignofheroes

And the evidenceat Myth’s SC picks would be any better than Obama’s is?

Hank


540 posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:05 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: BlackElk

Great post. Thank you. Poor Ryan, I believe, will try as he is a good man, but the deed is done so long as Romney is anywhere near a Republican ticket. Hope he leaves the office in four, if not the ticket, for poor Ryan. Given what and who he has to work with, poor Ryan has at least made more sober suggestions to address spending, but got laughed out off the stage for all his extensive effort.


541 posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:16 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: centurion316
But, this country as we know it will cease to exist if Obama is reelected. You are helping the other team, although I know that is not your intent.

And, I understand YOUR point!! The only problem is that I am weary of having to choose from the lesser of the two evils.

Why is it that what was once the most powerful nation on earth is capable of only having a choice between swampwater and raw sewage for its leader?? After 230+ years as a sovereign nation, we can't do ANY better than either Obama/Biden or Romney/Ryan!??

This is a sad commentary on the road to oblivion that we have travelled as a nation. Rather than a choice betwen the lesser of two evils, wouldn't it be refreshing and worth all the gnashing of teeth or water fountain discussions if our choice were between two extremely qualified, highly motivated (and motivating!) candidates?? Instead, we have a choice betwen the dregs remaining on the bottom of the barrel.

542 posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:21 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Sola Veritas
A conservative GOP congress will hold Obama in check, but will kowtow to a liberal Romney out of party loyalty. That is reality. What reality is that? Some alternative reality? Kind of like how the 'conservative' justices on the Supreme Court held Obama in check? Like they did in Congress when Obama gave amnesty by Executive Fiat? Like they did when Obama cut medicaid in Obamacare? You're putting all your faith into the some reality that principled conservatives will be elected this November and that only Constitutional laws will be enacted, and that Obama will stop running this country as a socialist Emperor? And I guess all the RINO's will be struck by lightning on November 1, 2012?
543 posted on 08/11/2012 8:24:58 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Jim Robinson; SE Mom

Please see my post #522. It was meant for you as well as SE Mom, and I thought I’d included you in the “To:” section. I hadn’t. I apologize for the error.


544 posted on 08/11/2012 8:25:23 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim: I am a true blue member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Always been and always will be. (See my other posts today and earlier).

I am also a former fighter pilot, Harvard trained attorney with a PhD in public policy analysis who is an entrepreneur and father of 5. I yield to none in my commitment to constitutional values and dedication to the importance of public and private virtue.

That is why there is much about Mitt's policies I disagree with. I know him and he knows me. Have drafted a personal letter to him urging he swiftly rethink his failure to lead on moral issues, particularly when it comes to nominating Supreme Court justices.

Nevertheless, he and his running mate can make a difference on economic issues. All the while, we can join with Tea Party conservatives, and with Ryan, to beat the drum on moral issues, encouraging Mitt to move to the right. He respects numerical analysis and there is much of that can be assembled to persuade his thinking.

But your unmitigated opposition to Romney based on your personal religious test is not only unconstitutional, it amounts to a kind of religious racism. Think about it.

You may not believe that God loves us enough to communicate directly to mankind today through living prophets and apostles, as well as individually through the Holy Ghost. That is your prerogative. I may disagree with you on that point, but I am certainly not going to condemn you to Hell for your belief. And according to my understanding of the religion, neither is the Lord.

Nevertheless, I don't think that is the real reason for your attitude toward Romney. If it were Glenn Beck running for President, I doubt you would be so adamantly opposed.

I applaud your vision in creating this site and have learned much here. And if you wish, I will be happy to conduct a full scale discussion based on biblical truths and references. As well I will be happy to continue my effort to correct the total distortion of what many on the board perceive about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

In the end, Jim, I would hope you would put aside your religious biases and make the obvious choice while working with all of us to motivate positive moral change in society, in our families and in our politics.

Kind regards
545 posted on 08/11/2012 8:25:37 PM PDT by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: arasina
:-)

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546 posted on 08/11/2012 8:27:18 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Parley Baer
Our people did not come out on top like I or you would have liked.

That because satan's pawn was involved. I will never vote for EVIL for America or taint myself because I put my stamp of approval on all his wicked deeds. NEVER!

I will choose Mitt because I don’t want our country to go down the same road a Greece.

Greece is not a nation under God! So you obviously do want to go down the SAME road as them!

"And Jesus said unto them, Why are you fearful, O you of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm". Matt 8:26

547 posted on 08/11/2012 8:27:43 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: DustyMoment

Well, it just sucks to be us. It will suck even more if Obama wins a second term.


548 posted on 08/11/2012 8:28:14 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Norm Lenhart

Do you people only read what you want to read or do you not have the ability to comprehend?

I said Romney was not my first choice. I realize the problems involved with him. I get it!

I simply said that for ME......for MY REASONING.....for where I AM at this point in time, I cannot separate the lessons from my family from my decisions. I thought this was a “FREE REPUBLIC”.....not just a place where you could only speak your mind when other people agreed!


549 posted on 08/11/2012 8:28:26 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (The Jewish Pope)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

He is most certainly not playing by the same rules.

The only tool he has left is the executive order. We've taken the others away. When we have 2/3rds of the senate, maybe you'll see he is just a man after all.


550 posted on 08/11/2012 8:28:38 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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