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  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    02/01/2005 2:48:09 AM PST · 36 of 36
    PeaGee to Nov3

    Thanks for the wwww bit - that was probably down to being too tired to take care with the typing :-)

    No, Kara wasn't related to me - but her mother is a friend and the site was 'dedicated to Kara and other children...' almost three years ago and some time before Kara's story became well known. Despite the mother's intense grief she helped many people who were struggling with withdrawal, as have other mothers in the same circumstances, and to do so shows outstanding concern for others above themselves.

    At the time I started the website, her mother wanted to ensure that people were aware of the effect it could have on children, and that by doing so other children's lives might not be lost and Kara's death wouldn't be in vain.

    I personally had a LOT of help and support from her too, and without her 'being there', along with another grieving mother and some other caring parties, I'm quite certain I wouldn't be here now. The awful tragedy is that she she wouldn't have been there for others had Kara not died, and that lives that WERE saved came about by the loss of a little child. Kara was given Paxil at the same age as Christopher was given Zoloft, both of which children suffered devastating effects in different ways.

    Just like you, in a way - you looked into the class of drugs because you witnessed harm to and loss of friends, and now have the information and means to help other people as a result. You just being here is helping to bring awareness of what drugs can do, and that more people becoming aware might even help Christopher, but if not - certainly others in the future.

    I didn't lose anyone, I simply had an horrific experience from the drug (and I wasn't described it for depression initially, just a couple of days of 'post-op blues') and have been left with some long term damage 3 years on from being taken off them cold turkey. The doc who took me off them that way would have done so because the pharmaceutical industry lied and stated at that time, on that SSRI, that in RARE cases "mild flu-like symptoms" could occur but these would last at most for 2 weeks. How was the doc to know any different 3 years ago? The doc believed the "scientific" evidence from the "scientists" in the industry - there was no "withdrawal" because "seroxat is NOT addictive". Unfortunately that doc CONTINUED to believe it for quite some time afterwards and so exacerbated what was happening by her dismissal of the symptoms and by her lack of understanding and support.

    Had the facts been available at the time, then the doc would have known to have prescribed them again and overseen a tapering down regime, which may well have saved long-term damage - though maybe it wouldn't, there's no way of knowing really as tapering didn't happen.

    So though I didn't lose a relative, I still don't want other people to suffer from the effects of these drugs, promoted by lies and corruption, and like many others, try to 'warn' in an attempt to at least SLIGHTLY balance out the mass of misinformation put out by the industry and their 'allies'.

    And round it all goes..

    Now I'm late, but hopefully I'll be back this evening to look at the articles you posted and maybe transport them back to my site with THREE, not FOUR, www's :-)

    Paula

  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 8:34:52 PM PST · 32 of 36
    PeaGee to Nov3

    Thank you Nov3 :-) And of course to Neverdem as well.

    Its 4.30 am here, and I'm too tired to concentrate, but I'll be back to look at that article, and if I don't have it will be really grateful to 'copy' it over to my website.

    I've GOT to go to sleep now... or I'll fall over on the keyboard :-)

    You're also welcome to get any information you don't have from my site if you need it.

    I'm going offline now, but will come back to read that last message tomorrow. Thanks again :)

    Paula
    http://wwww.ssri-uksupport.com


  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 8:21:49 PM PST · 30 of 36
    PeaGee to PeaGee

    I don't know how to use this board properly, but I meant that to all those who are keeping an open mind.

    I'm from the UK, and its VERY late here and I'm too tired to think clearly, but its nice to have met a group of people who DO think for themselves, who DO (even when maybe they've only accessed a bit of the information) CONSIDER what is going on.

    You can make a difference - and I trust that you've got the insight to do so once you've accessed the information. Children (and unsuspecting adults also) NEED people like you to change things and to protect them.

    Paula


  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 8:11:56 PM PST · 29 of 36
    PeaGee to sweetliberty

    I truly hope that the Jurors and the Judge have an open mind as you do.

  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 7:52:45 PM PST · 25 of 36
    PeaGee to sweetliberty

    You're quite right :-)

    And from the last post I left you've probably noticed that
    in Eli Lilly did comparitive studies and (cutting out the others) the suicide rate on their SSRI was

    FLUOXETINE (Prozac) 3.7

    as compared to
    Amitriptyline 0.8

    3.7 is
    VERY MUCH higher an RR (relative risk)
    than that for the level which decided that ASBESTOS was dangerous (not for suicide! but dangerous).

    Unfortunately, it seems that Christopher Pittman had a FAR HIGHER chance of becoming either suicidal or homicidal than he would have had of becoming ill/fatally ill from having been in contact with Asbestos.



    As to someone above who mentioned that the child was a sociopath (though I don't see any evidence to back that statement).. "disassociation" is documented as a side effect of SSRIs.

    Isn't one of the signs of a sociopathic personality that of lack of empathy for others?
    Does that apply to those who cannot put themselves into the shoes of children like Christopher before making judgemental decisions founded on nothing other than 'personal' ideas and not on reasoning or empathy?

    I'd say that corporate psychopathy (including psychopathic personalities within the corporation) was clearly evident when industries knowingly distort the evidence from their own clinical studies, lie about the 'scientific' need for mind-altering drugs, and promote their use KNOWING that their own studies caused deaths? THAT is sociopathic surely? To push drugs knowing they will kill, and then continue to lie and deceive even after very many people have died?

    Doesn't that hint just a little at a lack of concern about human life? Is that not the REAL sociopathy in evidence here?

  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 6:10:55 PM PST · 23 of 36
    PeaGee to PeaGee

    As to the 'serotonin link to depression' theory on which the promotion of Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft and other SSRIs have been based, it's interesting that Paxil maker GlaxoSmithKline eventually had to do the following (from a pdf file relating to Pfizer's zoloft)

    "...In May 2003, the maker of the SSRI Paxil, GlaxoSmithKline (“GSK”), announced that it was withdrawing claims contained in its promotional material for Paxil (called Seroxat in Ireland and the UK) that the drug worked by normalizing levels of serotonin.

    GSK acknowledged that the link between depression and serotonin levels is unproven and that such claims “were not consistent with the scientific literature.”..."


    It can be assumed from that withdrawal, that 'science' (genuine science) does not actually come into pharamaceutical claims for the need, or efficacy, or benefits of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.

    More a con trick on the public similar to that of Eli Lilly's LSD of decades ago. Eli Lilly pulled off the next global con with a drug not to dissimilar to LSD when it produced 'prozac'.

    Magnificent achievement to be able to push these drugs so successfully on such a massive scale. Fortunately for the industry, the thousands of dead are no longer around to give an adequate description of the surreal and fatally damaging 'tripping' that can occur on SSRIs.

    But those who end up tripping with a slight difference, in that they kill others in that drug-induced dark nightmare of a world CAN relate what happened and are therefore VERY DANGEROUS to the future of the pharmaceutical industry and the blockbuster mind-altering drugs indeed. Even when they are just children.

  • Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

    01/31/2005 5:58:10 PM PST · 22 of 36
    PeaGee to Nov3

    This might help with regard to causation AND as to the question of suicide figures:

    (Please bear in mind when trying to work the following out, that many studies were done EXCLUDING people who were (or had been) suicidal to try to avoid suicides negatively affecting clinical studies, and that in some studies perfectly healthy volunteers also became suicidal and some actually committed suicide, and that many trial participants were said ("coded") to have dropped out because of "nausea" but who actually dropped out because of suicidal acts).

    1) From correspondence between a psychopharmacological expert to a regulatory agency:

    "...Reports on these trials list patients who have committed suicide, and list those patients as being of a certain age and as having committed suicide at a certain point during the trial, when the patient in question has a very different age and the event in question happened at a completely different point during the trial".

    "Miscoding of suicidal act as emotional lability."

    " Lilly have resorted to treatment non-response and a range of other headings to code what happened." [re coding/mislabelling suicidal acts happening on clinical trials]

    "...records on Prozac, Seroxat/Paxil and Lustral/Zoloft, you will find cases of homicidality coded as nausea for instance."

    "Discontinuation of patients from studies for primary adverse effects such as nausea when in fact there has been a suicidal act;"

    "But it is also worth adding specifically that this has been a feature of all trials of Zoloft/Lustral, Seroxat/Paxil and Prozac throughout, as far as I can make out... "

    2) AMERICA'S LOST DREAM: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
    By James W. Prescott, Ph.D.
    (http://www.violence.de/prescott/appp/ald.pdf)

    V. Depression and Suicide in Children and Youth of America
    Depression and suicide are of epidemic proportions in America. Suicide has been the third leading cause of death in the youth age group of 15-24 years for the past generation (1979-1997) and is the fifth and sixth leading cause of death in the 5-14 year age group for the years 1979 and 1997, respectively. Tables 2 & 3 show that the suicide rates have doubled in the 5-14 year age group from 1979-1997. Table 4 gives the number of suicidal and homicidal deaths for the years 1979, 1994 and 1998 for the age groups of 1-4 years; 5-14 years and 15-24 years. The total number of suicidal deaths in these age groups for the years 1979, 1994 and 1998 are 5,398; 5,274 and 4,321, respectively. This represents an average of 4,999 suicide deaths per year for these years.

    Given the average of 5,000 suicidal deaths per year, the estimated total number of suicidal deaths in these age groups from 1979-2000 is 105,000 children and youth who have committed suicide over this past generation. More children and youth (ages 5-24 years) have committed suicide in the past ten years than the total number of American combat lives lost in the ten year Vietnam War (est. 55,000 v 47,355), yet little or no public attention has been given to this reality and what it represents.

    There are an estimated 60,828 suicides in the 25-44 year age group for the five years from 1994-1998 (12,166x5=60,828), an estimated total of 121,656 American lives lost to suicide for ten years in this age group that is more than double all the American lives lost in the ten year Vietnam War.

    Table 5 gives the suicide rates as a percent of the homicide rates for these specific age groups and for the years 1979, 1994 and 1998. For the 5-14 year old age group, suicide rates, as a percent of homicide rates, have systematically increased from 1979 to 1998, as follows: 1979:36%; 1994: 60 %; 1998:73 %.

    Suicidal death, relative to homicidal death, has dramatically increased for our children and youth in the 5- 14 year age group from 1979-1998. The question that remains unanswered is why do our children and youth prefer suicidal death to living in America, presumably the healthiest, wealthiest, and greatest nation of the world? Clearly, these dramatic increases in suicide rates over a single generation cannot be attributed to any changes in the human gene pool.

    These statistics indicate that America is an unsafe nation to rear its children and this conclusion is also supported by the epidemic of depression that afflicts our children and youth, as evidenced by their massive psychiatric medication (Zito, et.al, 2000). Some 1.5 million prescriptions of the anti-depressant class of drugs called the serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SRIs, e.g., Prozac) are given annually to children and youth and some 3 million prescriptions of Ritalin are prescribed annually. The problem of underestimating child/youth suicides in our society is as real as it is for child abuse homicides, previously cited (Herman-Giddens, et.al, 1999), where they found that child abuse homicides were underascertained by 62%. It is reasonable to project a similar or larger underestimation of suicidal deaths, given the higher societal and family shame and guilt that is associated with suicidal death, particularly of children and youth. Undoubtedly, many suicidal deaths are hidden in the accidental death statistics and are a greater problem than the current statistics indicate.

    The pioneering study of Salk, et al (1985) found prenatal and perinatal stress factors in 81% of teen suicides that represented a 400% increased risk of suicide compared to the control subjects. The studies of the Jacobson group in Sweden also documented the role of perinatal trauma and obstetric medications on later adult behaviors of suicide, homicide and drug addictive behaviors, where increased risks for some of these behaviors was as high as 500% compared to control groups (Jacobson, et al, 1987,1988, 1990, 1998/ 2000). The study of Raine, et al (1994) found birth complications and maternal rejection predicting violent crime at 18 years of age, which adds additional evidence that prenatal/perinatal trauma contributes to adult behavioral disorders. The report of Levy (1945) that the trauma of circumcision can lead to homicidal and suicidal emotional states should not be neglected in the overall assessment of prenatal, perinatal and postnatal factors that contribute to child, teen and adult emotional-behavioral disorders.

    VI. Psychiatric Medications of the Children and Youth of America.
    Breggin (1994, 1995, 1998) has warned America about the effects of a Toxic Psychiatry upon the children and youth of America, which have gone unheeded. The psychiatric drugging of the children, youth and adults of America have become worse where there is little or no questions being asked by the psychiatric-political establishment as to why are all these psychiatric drugs are necessary. Breggin (2000) provides a framework for the prevention of the psychiatric drugging of the children and youth of America and a path to follow, if natural happiness is to become a reality, which is the true prevention of depression and violence.

    Zito, et al (2000) have reviewed the prevalence of psychotropic medication use in children and youth; and in preschool-aged children from 1991-1995 from two state Medicaid programs and an HMO. They reported: The prevalence of psychotropic medication treatment for children and adolescents with emotional and behavioral disorders has significantly increased in the United States during the last few decades, particularly in the last 15 years. Specifically the 5 through 14-yearold age group has experienced a great increase in stimulant treatment for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHS), and the 15 through 19 -year- old age group has had sizable increases in the use of antidepressant medications (pp.1-2)... The rate of psychotropic medication prescribed for preschoolers in the MWM program increased substantially from 1991-1995. The increase was greatest for clonidine (28.2-fold), stimulants (3.0-fold), and antidepressants (2.2-fold). By contrast, neuroleptic use did not increase substantially during this time (p.4)... Methylphenidate (Ritalin) use according to age group in children and adolescents in the MWM program was most prominent for those aged 5-14 years... The largest methylphenidate increase (311%) was among 15 through19- year olds, whereas the 2 through 4- year-olds, like the 5-through 14 -year-olds, had a smaller but still substantial increase (169% to 176%) (pp.4-5)...

    Several prominent trends characterized the use of psychotropic medications in preschoolers during the early to mid 1990s. Overall, there were large increases for all study medications (except the neuroleptics) and considerable variation according to gender, age, geographic region, and health care system. These findings are remarkable in light of the limited knowledge base that underlies psychotropic medication use in very young children. Controlled clinical studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety of psychotropic medications for preschoolers are rare. Efficacy data are essentially lacking for clonidine and the SSRIs and methylphenidate's adverse effects for preschool children are more pronounced than for older youths. Consequently, the vast majority of psychotropic medications prescribed for preschoolers are being used offlabel. (P.5).

    Recall that this 5-14 year age group showed a doubling of suicide rates over the past twenty years (supra).


    3) Lilly internal document

    "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine clinical trials,"

    http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2005/images/01/03/eli.lilly.pdf
    Adobe acrobat reader required.


    Amongst other very informative information in the document about 'activation' of agitation etc, on PAGE 3 of the document you'll see far higher suicidality figures with Prozac than with 4 'pre-SSRI' drugs its compared with under the heading:

    "Percent of Total Reports (SUICIDALITY All Events) For Each Drug"

    FLUOXETINE (Prozac) 3.7
    Trazadone 0.2
    Amitriptyline 0.8
    Desipramine 0.3
    Maprotiline 0.0

    4) http://www.ahrp.org/risks/usSSRIuse0604.pdf

    (PDF file, Acrobat Reader required).


    On just 3 SSRIs: PROZAC, PAXIL (Seroxat) and ZOLOFT (Lustral) in one year alone:

    "...Table 1 shows that, in 2002, 7.8 million Americans became new users of either Paxil,Prozac or Zoloft and therefore they faced a net risk of induced suicide that is not likely to be lower than 32/100K and very probably is higher than 104/100K.

    Nevertheless, even using these cautionary rates, somewhere between 2500 and 8200 **excess** suicides may have occurred in 2002 alone due to these drugs..."

    WITH REGARD TO THE PDF FILE under 3) (now confirmed by Eli Lilly that it IS there document)

    The 1988 document indicated that 3.7 percent of patients attempted suicide while on the blockbuster drug, a rate more than 12 times that cited for any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The document, which cited clinical trials of 14,198 patients on fluoxetine -- the generic name for Prozac -- also stated that 2.3 percent of users suffered psychotic depression while on the drug, more than double the next-highest rate of patients using another antidepressant.

    In addition, the paper said that 1.6 percent of patients reported incidents of hostility -- more than double the rate reported by patients on any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The trials reviewed in the document said that 0.8 percent of users of Prozac reported causing an intentional injury -- eight times the rate associated with any of the other antidepressants.

    In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients, and sedation in 13 percent of patients.

    The paper, apparently produced by the drug company's marketing department, said "several suggestions may be helpful in presenting this information to physicians," including emphasizing that more patients on another class of antidepressants stopped taking their drugs than did those on Prozac..."


    (Zoloft is in the same class - SSRIs - carrying the same side effects as Prozac.)

    "...The 1988 document indicated that 3.7 percent of patients attempted suicide while on the blockbuster drug, a rate more than 12 times that cited for any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The document, which cited clinical trials of 14,198 patients on fluoxetine -- the generic name for Prozac -- also stated that 2.3 percent of users suffered psychotic depression while on the drug, more than double the next-highest rate of patients using another antidepressant.

    In addition, the paper said that 1.6 percent of patients reported incidents of hostility -- more than double the rate reported by patients on any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The trials reviewed in the document said that 0.8 percent of users of Prozac reported causing an intentional injury -- eight times the rate associated with any of the other antidepressants.

    In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients, and sedation in 13 percent of patients.

    The paper, apparently produced by the drug company's marketing department, said "several suggestions may be helpful in presenting this information to physicians," including emphasizing that more patients on another class of antidepressants stopped taking their drugs than did those on Prozac.

    The 1988 document indicated that 3.7 percent of patients attempted suicide while on the blockbuster drug, a rate more than 12 times that cited for any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The document, which cited clinical trials of 14,198 patients on fluoxetine -- the generic name for Prozac -- also stated that 2.3 percent of users suffered psychotic depression while on the drug, more than double the next-highest rate of patients using another antidepressant.

    In addition, the paper said that 1.6 percent of patients reported incidents of hostility -- more than double the rate reported by patients on any of four other commonly used antidepressants.

    The trials reviewed in the document said that 0.8 percent of users of Prozac reported causing an intentional injury -- eight times the rate associated with any of the other antidepressants.

    In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients, and sedation in 13 percent of patients.

    The paper, apparently produced by the drug company's marketing department, said "several suggestions may be helpful in presenting this information to physicians," including emphasizing that more patients on another class of antidepressants stopped taking their drugs than did those on Prozac..."


  • Defense for a Boy's Rampage: The Medicine Made Him Kill

    01/30/2005 5:03:30 PM PST · 24 of 26
    PeaGee to drhogan

    Ok, using your points - there are THOUSANDS of deaths on SSRIs, mostly by suicide, including suicides of HEALTHY VOLUNTEERS on clinical studies.

    Many of the clinical studies that have come to light have EXCLUDED anyone that is suicidal, but still the suicide rate on those studies are MANY TIME HIGHER than on older antidepressants.

    The suicides that occur are not used by the unfortunate victims of pharmaceutical corruption as 'excuses' for lawyers, the victims DIED. There is no going back for them.

    There are also VERY MANY CASES evidenced in clinical studies of HOMICIDALITY. Those people do NOT die. They are just as affected by the drugs as those who throw themselves off cliffs, crash their cars into walls, stab themselves, hang themselves, etc. There is no more reason to believe that someone who becomes homicidal rather than takes his/her own life is using the drug as an excuse than there is to believe that someone who takes their life because of the drug was 'doing it to get legal attention'.

    Both 'types' of drug-induced mania/akathisia are as surreal as each other, acting out a world (drug induced) that is hard, sometimes impossible, to distinguish from reality.

    That is NOT actually psychopathy. Its recognised by most people who have NO information as being the sort of effect that happens on LSD. LSD was also once a medicine. There isn't very much difference.

    Until people realised that, regardless of how it was promoted by the manufacturers, and regardless of how many people got 'high' or 'relaxed', LSD was a dangerous drug that killed FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE than those who 'enjoyed' taking it. Hence it was made illegal.

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that SSRIs have actually SAVED lives. There is no way of proving that someone taking an SSRI would have DEFINITELY died without them. Anymore than there was that LSD saved lives. Thats simply pharmaceutical hype.

    What there IS EVIDENCE OF is that many thousands of people who were NOT suicidal (not counting those who were to begin with) have committed suicide on those drugs.

    What I find really appalling REGARDLESS of whether opinions are informed or uninformed as the the drug's effects are the number of people in any event who would judge a child more harshly than they would an adult, without compassion or understanding of that child's background, or the insight to consider as to how a child copes with a disfunctional background.

    Or how a system supposedly based on JUSTICE can put a 12 year old boy in an ADULT prison where, as a child he is at risk of all kinds of abuse from adults far older and harder than he is.

    I'm really appalled.

    Justice is supposed to be about law tempered with mercy and compassion and the ability to think for yourself and recognise the vulnerability of children and the responsiblity adults have to guide them wisely, EVEN if dismissing evidence of the serious additional harm that mind-altering drugs, whether heroin, LSD, cocaine etc, can do to a child.

    I'm sorry to see evidence of it here, but not unexpected - when members of law firms whose clients include the pharmaceutical companies have 'second jobs' in the FDA and the Justice Department and other governement departments, its no wonder that people get duped into believing that these drugs are fine.

    This is probably my last visit to this forum, I hope you've got enough independent thought, and enough insight into how other people feel to start to think about things that are going on.

    In the meantime, you'll find its the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY that USE the law, and lawyers, more than it is victims of their drugs, and perhaps you could start looking at a list of lawyers who ensure they have seats in high places IN ADDITION to their jobs, so that they are in positions of influence and power whenever a decent lawyer aims to protect those who have suffered from their drugs.

    Look carefully. This article isn't a one-side view, its a LIST of who works in how many different places and who their clients are. Then think why?

    http://www.cptech.org/ip/health/politics/revolvingdoor.html

  • Defense for a Boy's Rampage: The Medicine Made Him Kill

    01/29/2005 7:14:35 PM PST · 22 of 26
    PeaGee to drhogan

    Please RESEARCH before making judgemental statements. Particularly when doing so on a CHILD who, after all - even if you're right -is LESS able than adults to determine between good and bad. Not MORE guilty because he's a child. Adults have years more experience and opportunities to learn, to be more responsible, than children, so we should be more compassionate shouldn't we?

    Try a google search on perhaps

    pfizer corruption zoloft pittman

    and see what can be learned about the drug's effects.

    I can see your point, and might well have agreed with you without having researched, years ago, but research will help to bring more understanding to the drug's effect,often fatal on ADULTS let alone children who are unable to understand or find out why they feel the way they do (and therefore with information being able to avoid acting on the drug-induced psychosis and akathisia).

    Would you feel the same if the child had a crooked doctor who had 'prescribed' him large daily doses of LSD, or cocaine?

    In fact, the drug he was prescribed is little different. You'll find that out if you research.

    Its really necessary to keep an OPEN mind to see the reality of just WHO is guilty and to use that mind, which you and all of us were given from the moment we existed, to
    think, research, make conclusions based on what we research, etc rather than coming to conclusions on what we have simply 'accepted' (quite understandably) through years of advertising and other persuasive but biased influences etc.

    Hoping you will do this :-) Interested in your more 'informed' views when you have done so.

  • Defense for a Boy's Rampage: The Medicine Made Him Kill

    01/29/2005 7:13:14 PM PST · 21 of 26
    PeaGee to drhogan

    Please RESEARCH before making judgemental statements. Particularly when doing so on a CHILD who, after all - even if you're right -is LESS able than adults to determine between good and bad. Not MORE guilty because he's a child. Adults have years more experience and opportunities to learn, to be more responsible, than children, so we should be more compassionate shouldn't we?

    Try a google search on perhaps

    pfizer corruption zoloft pittman

    and see what can be learned about the drug's effects.

    I can see your point, and might well have agreed with you without having researched, years ago, but research will help to bring more understanding to the drug's effect,often fatal on ADULTS let alone children who are unable to understand or find out why they feel the way they do (and therefore with information being able to avoid acting on the drug-induced psychosis and akathisia).

    Would you feel the same if the child had a crooked doctor who had 'prescribed' him large daily doses of LSD, or cocaine?

    In fact, the drug he was prescribed is little different. You'll find that out if you research.

    Its really necessary to keep an OPEN mind to see the reality of just WHO is guilty and to use that mind, which you and all of us were given from the moment we existed, to
    think, research, make conclusions based on what we research, etc rather than coming to conclusions on what we have simply 'accepted' (quite understandably) through years of advertising and other persuasive but biased influences etc.

    Hoping you will do this :-) Interested in your more 'informed' views when you have done so.

  • Defense for a Boy's Rampage: The Medicine Made Him Kill

    01/28/2005 6:02:52 PM PST · 18 of 26
    PeaGee to PeaGee

    I don't know how that was addressed as a reply to someone who clearly has some knowledge of what these drugs can do, it was meant to be addressed to those who are so cynical of either adverse effects of drugs or withdrawal from them.

    As to the post by someone asing about ADHD. Same thing. It's a profitable business for the chemical manufacturers/drug dealers who call themselves the innocuous sounding name of "pharmaceutical companies".

    Some of you need to THINK for yourselves. RESEARCH.
    You have a big problem on your hands and if you don't do something to stop it, then you're going to be wondering why on earth violence and suicide figures are so rapidly going up.

    Drugs are NOT normality and they are NOT a panacea for human emotions.

    Christopher Pittman is a CHILD.
    Pharmaceutical profit driven corruption is driven by ADULTS. People who should know better.

  • Defense for a Boy's Rampage: The Medicine Made Him Kill

    01/28/2005 5:53:00 PM PST · 17 of 26
    PeaGee to drhogan

    I guess some of you are so brainwashed by Pharma drug advertising that you haven't even considered that it might be PHRAMACEUTICAL corruption to blame??

    They did a great job of duping the citizens of the US!
    Christopher Pittman was a CHILD.
    The pharmas who make mind altering drugs are ADULTS.

    Did you know that Pfizer was one of three companies who, during clinical trials, coded suicidal and homicidal events arising on those trials as "NAUSEA" ??