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  • LA Rabbi Asks Mel Gibson to Reconsider Jesus Film

    02/10/2004 6:36:38 PM PST · 174 of 177
    Goren to Goren
    Several Clarifications and accuracies questions.

    Jesus by the Hebrew name Yehosoua, Joshua was born in Nazareth.
    The city of Nazareth is at the north of Israel at the low Galilee.
    However there is a debate on that fact.
    In Hebrew till today the root of the word Nazareth is Nazir a Monk meaning one that excludes himself out.
    grows long hair and warship god. The first monk mentioned in Bible was Samson at the book of Judges.
    He had stratified the Biblical Hebrew definition of a Monk.

    The second problem is Jesus birthplace.
    According to tradition he was born in Beit-Lechm which all know at the South of Judea Mountains, in Biblical times the Judah Tribe territory.
    However there is a problem with that argument. The distance and the description between the labors Miriam had and delivery or birth. There is an additional Bet-Lechem at the Galilee called The Galilee Beit-Lechem. It is 20 minutes drive from Nazareth and at those ancient days a couple of hours maximum on a mule or donkey was the time to travel from Nazareth to The Galilee Bet-Lehem.

    Translation, The Bible was translated by what so called the translation of the seventy for the seventy scholars did that. The New Testament was written in Hebrew and was translated into Greek and then Latin.
    Miriam was described in the original scripts written in Hebrew as a young pretty woman, young woman in Hebrew Alma. The translation was converting it into a virgin.

    At the beginning old followers of Jesus were Jewish, it was a sect among many others at that time such as the Isians Prushim Tzdokim living in the Judea desert. The Dead Sea scrolls had reveled some of that culture social life at the city of Komran.
    Amazingly Jesus was never mentioned there even though he was a great leader at that time.
    The sects Isians Prushim Tzdokim were Nazirim monks by Hebrew definition. Jesus was located and acting mainly in the Galilee but was affected by these sects. He mentored for tolerance love of the others which all were in fact the foundations of Jewish fate. Rabbi Akiva said Vehavta Lereach Kamocha Love Your Friend as You Love Yourself. It was based upon the Jewish laws.
    Moreover Komran Dead-Sea scrolls were written in Hebrew, and the full book of Isaiah, Ysha’a’ya’hoo was found with some new chapters all presented at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem.

    Back to our sects the main motive of these sects was isolation and study for judgment day. In the Dead Sea scrolls they describe the philosophy of that apocalyptic vision as the war between the light and darkness.
    These sects were extremely Orthodox Jews by our days.
    So the ancient followers of Jesus which was a Jew and mentored Judaism obeying Jewish laws since this was God Command in the covenant moment at the Sinai-Mountain with Moses in front the entire Israelites.
    This was the moment when the Hebrews became Israelites and a nation.

    Now to the word Messiah the root of the word comes from Hebrew from the word Mishcha or Cream.
    See Samuel under Prophets.
    The act of announcing a king in the ancient times was by the Hebrew word Meshicha, Creaming a circle on the head of the dedicated king. The Mishcha or Cream was olive oil. The one that had suffered the action of Meshicha, Creaming was called in Hebrew Mashiach or Messiah.

    Baptizing, the baptizing is a symbol of purity, in fact in Judaism the more you baptize in the springs of the Galilee the more pure you are. In Judaism Baptizing is the Mikveh, that tradition remained till today. Women are baptizing prior marriage. When converting to Judaism you baptize and Orthodox are baptize. So that tradition was used by Jesus was not new it was part of his life, he is a Jew John the baptize Yohanan-Hmatbil was trying to purify his flock and followers. Nothing new in that, it was and is Jewish Tradition. Moreover excavations reviled Mikves from that time.

    As for Jesus death, Josephus Plavious, Yesoff Ben Mathityahu was a military leader from the Galilee living at that time during the big revolt. He had crossed the lines and provided accurate information of sequence of events took place at revolt and destruction time. His details were proven to be correct during excavations done at the old city, and on the Gollan Heights at the city of Gamlla. However his book was preserved and translated into Latin where the story of Jesus was implanted in. The problem with that is that each one lived in different times Jesus from 0-21AC and Josephus Plavious during 40-90AC. In addition a second version of Josephus Plavious notes was preserved in Arabic where there, Jesus is not mentioned at all. That is strange since Jesus is also a Prophet mentioned in the Holly Koran, and in the Mirage of Mohammad according to Islamic Fate they met when Mohammad climbed to the sky from Jerusalem, there he met Jesus Moses and Eliyahu Alyssa.

    Christianity was a sect of Judaism and was opened later by removing the ancient Christians restrictions which were the Jewish laws obeyed by Jesus. Shaul-Hatarsi had opened it to many followers.
    Therefore it would be against the fate of Christianity to prosecute Jews.
    Why then it was, since at the middle ages there were many other interest of power and govern of the Churches and that was a way of regimes and Church to blame the Jews for all the bad happening there. It was manipulation that caused tragically anti-Semitism.
    As for the film, at the beginning the script was in Aramaic language, which was not spoken at that time frame in Judea province. Language spoken was Greek Latin and Hebrew.
    Second Jews are the sons of Judea tribe the word is a late word, Jews are not Israelites, which are all the tribes.

    Priests were Cohen and Levies which all came from the tribe of Levi.
    Cohens are the sons of Aaron the Cohen the brother of Moses both from the tribe of Levi.
    King David Dynasty was destroyed by the Babylonians due to the revolt they did.
    Jews of today are remains of Judea Yehuda tribe Levi tribe and Benyamin tribe Benjamin the tribe of king Saul.
    The colony name was the Province of Judea not Israel.

    The point here in this whole discussion is to show the inaccuracy of the film facts due to inaccurate information.
    Moreover the distance of events and the controversy in facts raise a lot of question marks.
    Hence Gibbson Film is a bit inaccurate in a gentle way.
    That is kind of concern since it may bring a break of hate.

    Both fates live in Harmony today and Pope John Paul was doing a great deal of effort to clean the incorrect facts accusing Jews for Killing Jesus and reminding all he is a Jew.
    He followed Jewish laws as a proof he did his Passover Seder and eaten Matzos and all according to Judaism.


    Kol Toov.

  • LA Rabbi Asks Mel Gibson to Reconsider Jesus Film

    02/10/2004 6:17:41 PM PST · 171 of 177
    Goren to Right to be Wrong
    Several Clarifications and accuracies questions.

    Jesus by the Hebrew name Yehosoua, Joshua was born in Nazareth.
    The city of Nazareth is at the north of Israel at the low Galilee.
    However there is a debate on that fact.
    In Hebrew till today the root of the word Nazareth is Nazir a Monk meaning one that excludes himself out.
    grows long hair and warship god. The first monk mentioned in Bible was Samson at the book of Judges.
    He had stratified the Biblical Hebrew definition of a Monk.

    The second problem is Jesus birthplace.
    According to tradition he was born in Beit-Lechm which all know at the South of Judea Mountains, in Biblical times the Judah Tribe territory.
    However there is a problem with that argument. The distance and the description between the Labors Miriam Had and Delivery. There is an additional Bet-Lechem at the Galilee called The Galilee Beit-Lechem. It is 20 minutes drive from Nazareth and at those ancient days a couple of hours maximum on a mule or donkey was the time to travel from Nazareth to The Galilee Bet-Lehem.

    Translation, The Bible was translated by what so called the translation of the seventy for the seventy scholars did that. The New Testament was written in Hebrew and was translated into Greek and then Latin.
    Miriam was described in the original scripts written in Hebrew as a young pretty young woman in Hebrew Alma.
    The translation was converting it into a virgin.

    At the beginning old followers of Jesus were Jewish, it was a sect among many others at that time such as the Isians Prushim Tzdokim living in the Judea desert. The Dead Sea scrolls had reveled some of that culture social life at the city of Komran.
    Amazingly Jesus was never mentioned there even though he was a great leader at that time.
    The sects Isians Prushim Tzdokim were Nazirim monks by Hebrew definition. Jesus was located and acting mainly in the Galilee but was affected by these sects. He mentored for tolerance love of the others which all were in fact the foundations of Jewish fate. Rabbi Akiva said Vehavta Lereach Kamocha Love Your Friend as You Love Yourself. It was based upon the Jewish laws.

    Back to our sects the main motive of these sects was isolation and study for judgment day. In the Dead Sea scrolls they describe the philosophy of that apocalyptic vision as the war between the light and darkness.
    These sects were extremely Orthodox Jews by our days.
    So the ancient followers of Jesus which was a Jew and mentored Judaism obeying Jewish laws since this was God Command in the covenant moment at the Sinai-Mountain with Moses in front the entire Israelites.
    This was the moment when the Hebrews became Israelites and a nation.

    Now to the word Messiah the root of the word comes from Hebrew from the word Mishcha or Cream.
    Sea Samuel under Prophets.
    The act of announcing a king in the ancient times was by the Hebrew word Meshicha, Creaming a circle on the head of the dedicated king. The Mishcha or Cream was olive oil. The one that had suffered the action of Meshicha, Creaming was called in Hebrew Mashiach or Messiah.

    Baptizing, the baptizing is a symbol of purity, in fact in Judaism the more you baptize in the springs of the Galilee the more pure you are. In Judaism Baptizing is the Mikveh, that tradition remained till today. Women are baptizing prior marriage. When converting to Judaism you baptize and Orthodox are baptize. So that tradition was used by Jesus was not new it was part of his life, he is a Jew John the baptize Yohanan-Hmatbil was trying to purify his flock and followers. Nothing new in that it was and is Jewish Tradition. Moreover excavations reviled Mikves from that time.

    As for Jesus death, Josephus Plavious, Yesoff Ben Mathityahu was a military leader from the Galilee living at that time during the big revolt. He had crossed the lines and provided accurate information of sequence of events took place at revolt and destruction time. His details were proven to be correct during excavations done at the old city, and on the Gollan Heights at the city of Gamlla. However his book was preserved and translated into Latin where the story of Jesus was implanted in. The problem with that is that each one lived in different times Jesus from 0-21AC and Josephus Plavious during 40-90AC. In addition a second version of Josephus Plavious notes was preserved in Arabic where there, Jesus is not mentioned at all. That is strange since Jesus is also a Prophet mentioned in the Holly Koran, and in the Mirage of Mohammad according to Islamic Fate they met when Mohammad climbed to the sky from Jerusalem, there he met Jesus Moses and Eliyahu Alyssa.

    Christianity was a sect of Judaism and was opened later by removing the ancient Christians restrictions which were the Jewish laws obeyed by Jesus. Shaul-Hatarsi had opened it to many followers.
    Therefore it would be against the fate of Christianity to prosecute Jews.
    Why then it was, since at the middle ages there were many other interest of power and govern of the Churches and that was a way of regimes and Church to blame the Jews for all the bad happening there. It was manipulation that caused tragically anti-Semitism.
    As for the film, at the beginning the script was in Aramaic language, which was not spoken at that time frame in Judea province. Language spoken was Greek Latin and Hebrew.
    Second Jews are the sons of Judea tribe the word is a late word, Jews are not Israelites, which are all the tribes.

    Priests were Cohen and Levies which all came from the tribe of Levi.
    Cohens are the sons of Aaron the Cohen the brother of Moses both from the tribe of Levi.
    King David Dynasty was destroyed by the Babylonians due to the revolt they did.
    Jews of today are remains of Judea Yehuda tribe and Benyamin Benjamin the tribe of king Saul.
    The colony name was the Province of Judea not Israel.

    The point here in this whole discussion is to show the inaccuracy of the film facts due to inaccurate information.
    Moreover the distance of events and the controversy in facts raise a lot of question marks.
    Hence Gibbson Film is a bit inaccurate in a gentle way.
    That is kind of concern since it may bring a break of hate.

    Both fates live in Harmony today and Pope John Paul was doing a great deal of effort to clean the incorrect facts accusing Jews for Killing Jesus and reminding all he is a Jew.
    He followed Jewish laws as a proof he did his Passover Seder and eaten Matzos and all according to Judaism.


    Kol Toov.