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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers "Operation Watchtower" - Guadalcanal (8/1942-2/1943) - Aug. 28th, 2003
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Posted on 08/28/2003 12:00:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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Air Power
Mitsubishi G4M "Betty"

One of the best-known Japanese aircraft of the war, the twin-engine G4M Type 1 medium bomber (allied code name Betty) performed in ways that rivaled many four-engine bombers. Almost 200 were in service at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, and they operated wherever land bases were available to the Japanese. Twenty-six of these planes joined with G3M 'Nell' bombers to sink the Prince of Wales and Repulse. These aircraft flew against land and naval targets throughout the Pacific area, and near the end of the war were modified to carry Baka suicide aircraft.

The Mitsubishi G4M was designed as teh successor to the G3M 'Nell'; the prototype flew in Oct. 1939 and it was put into production that same month as the G6M1 long-range escort fighter. That project, however, was quickly abandoned with the thirty units completed being deployed as transports and trainers. In April 1941 the bomber version entered production. The much-improved G4M2 prototype flew in Nov. 1942. Total Betty production was 2,416 aircraft-more than any other Japanese bomber. These included sixy G4M3 variants with more protection, a fire extinguishing system, and more powerful engines, but the U.S. bombing raids dusrupted production of these advanced aircraft. Late-prdouction aircraft also had a surface-search radar.

The mid-wing 'Betty' had a rounded appearance, with glazed nose and tail positions; it was a mid-wing aircraft with twin radial engines and a large tail fin. The aircraft was fitted with an internal bomb bay that could carry an aerial torpedo or up to 2,200 pounds of bombs. The excellent performance of the 'Betty' was achieved at teh expense of armor for the crew and fuel tanks, making the aircraft highly vulnerable to attack.

The G4M2a variant could reach 272 mph and was credited with a range of 2,260 miles. Defensive armament in the F4m2a variant consisted of four 20 mm cannon and one 7.7 mm machine gun, all in flexible mounts. The crew numbered seven.

Specifications:
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Jukogyo K.K.
Primary Role: Ground based Medium Bomber
First flight: (prototype) 23 October 1939
Operational Service: 1940 - 1945
Number produced: 2.446 total, 1.200 G4M1
Crew 7: pilot, co-pilot, navigator/bombardier, radio operator/gunner, three gunners
Powerplant: 2 × Mitsuishi MK4A Kasei 11 radial, rated at 1530 hp (1140.6 kW) each

Dimensions:
Length: 65 ft 7.25 inch
Height: 19 ft 8.25 inch
Empty weight: 14991 lb
Operational weight: 20944 lb max
Wing Span: 82 ft 0.25 inch

Performance :
Service ceiling: 29,363 ft (8950 m)
Maximum speed: 266 mph at 13780 ft
Cruising speed: 196 mph at 9845 ft
Initial climb rate: Climb to 22,965 ft in 18 min 0 sec
Range: 3749 miles max
Fuel capacity: internal 1,078 Imp gal (1,294 US gal)

Armaments:
Machine guns
1 × 0.303 inch Type 92 trainable forward-firing in the nose
1 × 0.303 inch Type 92 trainable rearward-firing in a dorsal blister position
2 × 0.303 inch Type 92 trainable lateral-firing, 1 in each beam position
Cannons 1 × 20 mm Type 99 Model 1 trainable rearward-firing in the tail turret
Bomb load Up to 1,764 lb, carried on underfuselage hardpoints as:
1,764 lb of free-fall bombs or
1 × 1,764 lb torpedo instead of bombs




After the capitulation, this white G4M bears red crosses.


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61 posted on 08/28/2003 11:43:45 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (If you try to fail, and succeed ....... Which have you done?)
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To: SAMWolf
Great post, Sam! Guadalcanal is one of those stories that always causes my eyes to mist up. Such heroism by our troops! And it was all done on a shoestring before industry had started delivering the buildup. All done under constant harrassment by the Japanese when we couldn't establish naval supremacy.

Of course, as we have discussed before, stupid Japanese tactics helped us out. Feeding units in piecemeal and later dividing their forces was a definite plus for us. Do the Japanese just not believe that mass or concentration of effort is a principle of war??

62 posted on 08/28/2003 11:46:42 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: Johnny Gage
Good Afternoon Johnny.





"Yamamoto's Last Flight"
In April 1943 a flight of P-38s carried out an incredible long distance mission which resulted in the destruction of Admiral Yamamoto's plane over Bougainville.

63 posted on 08/28/2003 12:52:13 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: colorado tanker
Thanks colorado tanker.

IMHO, most of the Japanese made the same mistake as almost all our enemies. They underestimated us and the resolve of the America fighting man. They always thought we'd fold when the going got tough.
64 posted on 08/28/2003 1:28:22 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: SAMWolf; Johnny Gage
Great pictures guys!
65 posted on 08/28/2003 1:30:33 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Makes one wonder how many battle outcomes hinged on some seemingly insignificant event.

Hi Sam and Snippy

During the opening days of the Phillipines landings in OCT 44..several Cans found themselves alloted for [ call fire ] missions in support of the beachead breakout.

Was able to track the armies movement at Leyte in a seires written after the war.

From 11:00 PM -20TH to 05:00 on the 21ST the USS Isherwood DD-520 moved into callfire station offshore.

The Dec log and action reports from DD-520 list 3 seperate fire controlers over a 5 mile front which called in rounds and Star Shells.

DD-520 was released at 5:30 with a congrats for turning a Japanese counter attack.

As I studied the Armies records of this evening..a more grim picture emerged.

The Japanese had a massed counter attack on a flanking movement inland just a few miles from shore.

Troops from the primary landings had be set in this quadrant for rest..and were not expecting opposition.

Things were tight..the line barely held..losses were high..fighting was hand to hand at some points.

Like other Islands..the Japanese ran on the U.S. forces in full kamikaze/suicide run to break the line.

Again this occured over a 5 mile line..in the dark..with no support except Isherwoods callfire and Army mortar teams.

Outnumbered 2-1 the U.S. held the line that night..but as history goes..Japan was not quite finished in its counter attack strategem at Leyte Gulf.

The U.S. got pressed hard at Leyte...the valor of the U.S. army..the slug fest off Surigao a few days later..plucky Taffy 2 Going head to head with Japanese Battleships.

At a Reunion in Frisco..some of the crew of 520 commented that the ship had the rabbits foot...near trouble..but not really in the gravest part of it.

Attached to Admiral Jessie Oldendorfs southern Battleship group..DD-520 saw action..and the Surigao..but things could have been very different..if She was assigned to Taffy 2..as the "Little Wolves" wrote history..most not comming home off Letye Gulf.

Guadalcanal was very much Like Leyte Gulf..except it was not over in days..it went on and on..fortitude carried the day.

The Japanese didn't have it..the U.S. Did : )

66 posted on 08/28/2003 1:36:54 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Johnny Gage
During the Okinwaa campaign..Japanese Betty's often flew harrassing missions at night.

Fleet protocal off Okinawa called for 'Night Retirement'...Battlegroups and their screens...transports and their screens would sail out to sea..and do circuits..returning to Okinawa around 5:00 AM.

Many ship action reports mention Betty's circling out on the periphery of 5" mount range.

Saliors could see the erie green glow of the Betty's cockpit...general quarters ringing...ships in evasive pattern...mines in the water..torpedoes.

USS Halligan was lost of Kerram Retto moving to fire support..the next morning when she had been off TBS for hours..here shattered hull was found.

The entire bow to the bridge was violently blown away.

Wether she had sailed into a mine field..or had inadvertantly sailed into mines dropped by Betty's..her end came sudden..only a few officers survived to recount Halligans loss.

The Betty was not a sophisticated bomber..but it was flexable..and gave U.S. Forces in the Pacific fits.

67 posted on 08/28/2003 1:51:20 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
Thanks Light Speed for the story of the USS ISHERWOOD in the Philippines.

I just hope the US still has that resolve, hard to tell when the minority loudmouths get all the Press.
68 posted on 08/28/2003 2:01:05 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Good afternoon Colonel. Wargamer? Now that's something else SAM knows about. You are in the right place. :)

Hope you are doing well.
69 posted on 08/28/2003 2:01:13 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Light Speed


F4U-1 downs Japanese 'Betty' bomber just as it launches its 'Oka' Kamikaze bomb

70 posted on 08/28/2003 2:03:57 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: SAMWolf
Great Pic Sam.

CAP and CAP directer teams on the outlying Radar Picket Destroyers really made thier mark off Okinawa..the system worked ..by May I believe..the Army had set up 90MM radar guided arty..really thinned out the Betty's and Kamikazes.

Once the 90's were locked on..there was hardly a chance for escape.

Have read many scarry acounts from pilots who flew CAP off Okinawa.

Navy was trigger happy for sure..but hard to blame the crews..they saw alot of thier sister ships on station go up in fireballs hundreds of ft and sink.

Ya..it took nerve to follow a Val or Zero over the fleet in a Corsair.

I bet the Cosair pilots talked to God alot : )

71 posted on 08/28/2003 2:19:08 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
Bewteen being a CAP pilot or a DD on picket duty. I don't know which would have been worse. Those picket DD's were kamikaze magnets.
72 posted on 08/28/2003 2:41:27 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: SAMWolf
Eisenhower called it "the incomparable power of an aroused democracy." But you're right, Sam, our enemies, themselves governed by mostly by fascist or marxist states, just don't get it. They think democracies are weak because we sound so materialistic and divided. They don't understand that although we are slow to arouse, once we are aroused to the fight the nation is solidly behind the cause. It took Bush a year to make his case on Iraq, but once he went to war he was backed by a congressional vote, a U.N. vote and a solid majority of the American people.
73 posted on 08/28/2003 4:12:22 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Good Morning from Japan. Not to say that I don't enjoy all the Foxhole posts, but the Pacific War topics are my favorites.

Just the naval actions during the Guadalcanal campaign could keep you busy for a while. Surface battles at Savo Island(I know you already did that one), Cape Esperance, Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (2 nights), Tassafaronga, and the carrier battles of Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz.
74 posted on 08/28/2003 5:02:00 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (20 years in the Navy; never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Afternoon from Oregon, Gator Navy.

I did Savo Island, but not as a Foxhole thread, so that's still fair game.

We covered 1st and 2nd Guadalcanal a while back and Santa Cruz is done and ready to go (no date selected yet)
75 posted on 08/28/2003 5:16:26 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: Light Speed
Hi Light Speed.

...fortitude carried the day.

Something Americans have proved in many battles!

Thanks for your insight today.

76 posted on 08/28/2003 5:27:22 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; AntiJen; MistyCA; SpookBrat; PhilDragoo; All
Evening friends! Thanks for the interesting thread, Sam.


click on the graphic.

77 posted on 08/28/2003 5:31:39 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The opinions I value are the ones from people I respect… the rest are just comic relief)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Good evening from the Ohio Valley. So good to see you Gator Navy.

We figured you might have some catching up to at work to do after being on vacation even though you have stopped in since. I've been meaning to let you know that we did a thread on Saipan while you were gone.

Just in case you may have missed a few while you were at your in-laws here are the links.

The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle for Saipan (Jun - July, 1944) - July 29th, 2003

The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Sinking of the USS Indianapolis (Jul-1945) - July 30th, 2003

The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Gulf of Tonkin Incident (8/2/64) - Aug. 3rd, 2003

I realize you're busy but I generally expect to see you chime in on the Naval threads and therefore have double the reason to look forward to them.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

:)

78 posted on 08/28/2003 5:48:29 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: colorado tanker
Just me sneaking in between posts to say hey. :)
79 posted on 08/28/2003 5:51:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Good evening Victoria, nice song and graphic.
80 posted on 08/28/2003 5:53:25 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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