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No Clapping, Dancing at Mass, Vatican to Warn
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| Tue, Sep 23, 2003
| Philip Pullella
Posted on 09/23/2003 7:50:20 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: Blzbba
I agree, girls serving Mass is a small thing, and as a former lector, I found them to be more punctual and responsible to their duties, given the same amount of limited training extended to the boys (sigh, sure miss those Sisters of Providence). I say former lector because we walked out of our church of 15 years last May because our pastor could not resist the opportunity in his homily to once again condemn the President (on Mother's Day!) .
We've spent the summer visiting different churches and all of them have problems to the extent that it's nearly impossible to concentrate on the matter at hand; the bottom line culminates in a basic lack of reverence. There's too much gabbing before Mass, the servers slouch and fidget, the choirs perform rather than complement the Mass and are congratulated with vigorous applause afterwards, and most people don't use a Missal or follow along with paperback prayerbooks provided them. At the Church we're currently attending (wife wins out), the priest gives great homilies, but he skips the Gloria (more time for his homily, maybe), rushes through the preparation of the bread and wine and jokes with the servers during absolution, and "wings" the Eucharistic Prayer. I know I should address this with him but I haven't gotten around to it yet (I will, though). But that's pretty much the same wherever we go around Portland. /rant
To: Alberta's Child
Anyone who wants to engage in spontaneous worship can just as easily do it outside on the street -- you don't even need to be in a church building. Well, a building is just a building.
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:03:49 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(I write my life; you write what you've seen in gangsta moviez)
To: Aliska
The kind of sexism where people who say women cannot become priests because they don't want women priests because that would upset their applecart. Deep down they SEEM to believe that they are spiritually superior to women. That's the message I pick up on these forums. Well, you are picking it up on your own, cause that is not what is being offered.
Saying women can not be priests is not sexism, it is reality. The Church has said so.
It has little to do with my applecart. It has much to do with the way Jesus established His Church and the way the Church will forever be.
It is no more "sexist" than the Church's insistence that men can only marry women, and women men. It is simply an acknowledgement of the roles God created for the sexes.
To rail against this as some sort of slight or opression is to struggle against reality.
SD
To: dubyaismypresident
"And we'd prefer altar boys to altar girls."
OH....i get it.
To: Aliska
Have you read the Bible?
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:06:49 PM PDT
by
TradicalRC
(Their name is Legion, for they are many...)
To: onehipdad
Girls serving at Mass is a small thing only if priestly vocations is a small problem. As I point out elsewhere in these postings, surveys have found that as many as 85% of priests began as altar boys. When boys disappear as altar servers, we should not be surprised that priestly vocations are also affected. The question we should be asking ourselves is which is more important: equal rights for girls or bringing more boys into the priesthood?
To: rdb3
Well, a building is just a building. A building set apart for the service of God is not "just a building."
Do you then not favor laws against the desecration of churches? Is burning down a crack house the moral or legal equivalent of burning down a church?
SD
To: ArrogantBustard
I am stating some truths opinions about sexism in the cChurch that evidently some of you don't want to hear agree with. That's your reality. It's not mine. You only want to put me down. You have offered nothing to lift me up. And you would expect me to go to men like you for spiritual answers. I don't think so. I'll find my own. It won't be from someone who sounds like you sound.
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:07:02 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: NYer
In the catholic church, we believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.Jesus is present at all times in the heart of the believer, and the witness of the Holy Spirit confirms this.
The Bishops have expressly prohibited any and all forms of dancing in the Liturgy.
I see. The Bishops have this prohibited. But where does God prohibit it?
429
posted on
09/23/2003 12:07:39 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(I write my life; you write what you've seen in gangsta moviez)
To: malakhi
Not that I encourage it, but a priest having a porn collection is hardly earth-shattering. Priests are men, and like all men they sin. But unless somebody else is being victimized his sin is between the priest and God, and other priests have no business blowing whistles on them.
430
posted on
09/23/2003 12:07:59 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(If [the French] are providing passports, I’m going to ask for Pellegrino)
To: Pyro7480
I invite you to go to a Catholic Mass, and see how disruptive "sponaneous praise" would be. There's a time and place for everything. I attended school at St. Joseph High School, which is in the Diocese of Cleveland. I've been to many a Mass.
431
posted on
09/23/2003 12:09:32 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(I write my life; you write what you've seen in gangsta moviez)
To: presidio9
Maybe it's because I'm not religious and I don't have to take this stuff seriously, but I love it when the Pope hard-asses it. The whole Catrholic asthetic always struck me as the way a religion is supposed to be.
Also, was the author here trying to crack pedophile jokes with these lines about the church prefering altar boys is it just impossible to discuss this without providing straight lines?
To: TradicalRC
Have you read the Bible? Three times through. It doesn't say a whole lot to make women feel better about their womanhood. Even Jesus referred to one woman as a dog in front of other listeners. There is a lot about attitudes that I don't understand.
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:10:28 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: Aliska
You only want to put me down. You have offered nothing to lift me up. Maybe it's not about you. When God created the world, do you think He designed things so that they would create the most misery for you?
Did He make a mistake? Is His Church wrong?
Is "lifting you up" synonymous with all of us men admitting we are just full of it and really just like male priests because it helps us subjegate women? Should we crawl to you and apologize and start ordaining women immediately?
Would that lift you up? Would you smile?
SD
To: miss marmelstein
That being said, does anyone out there remember the old Catholic school tradition held every May of placing a crown of flowers on the head of a statue of Mary and singing the immortal "Bring Flowers To the Rarest"? Absolutely -- I was May queen in high school and crowned the statue in Church -- after a procession of all the elementary, high school and Sunday school students around the block (my parish did it up big in those days!).
But as I recall the hymn, it was
Bring flowers of the fairest, bring flowers of the rarest,
From garden and woodland and hillside and dale.
Our full hears are swelling, our glad voices telling,
The praise of the loveliest Rose of the Vale.
O Mary, we crown thee with blossoms today
Queen of the Angels, Queen of the May. (2)
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:11:16 PM PDT
by
maryz
To: dangus; Terriergal
Terriergal can correct me if I am wrong but I suspect that she has been taught in a "reformed" Church setting that the Roman Catholic Church somehow suppressed the Bible and that she is repeating what she has heard.
We did burn a British priest, one Fr. Wycliffe, at the stake in England for publishing an unauthorized English-language mistranslation of Scripture against the direct orders of his superiors. Nothing particularly unique AND nothing particularly significant.
436
posted on
09/23/2003 12:12:45 PM PDT
by
BlackElk
(Schwarzenegger is as Republican as his wife's Uncle Teddy or as the late Cardinal Bernardin)
To: Blzbba
The Vatican's continued insistence that women are 2nd-class citizens (the only explanation for their abhorrence of women taking more-active roles in the Church) How many female Apostles did Jesus choose?
437
posted on
09/23/2003 12:12:46 PM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Aquinasfan
What the directive is referring to is applause which distracts from worship and praise of God.Applause that "distracts from worhip and praise of God?"
Hmmm...
438
posted on
09/23/2003 12:13:35 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(I write my life; you write what you've seen in gangsta moviez)
To: BlackElk
I actually drove to Rockford, IL once to go to TAN's bookstore (They have a nice one, located in the same building as the printing press, and business office) They were close to closing time (it was Saturday) and they still let me shop till closing (and a little past) and one of the guys there gave me a mini-tour of the press area to boot!
They couldn't have been nicer!
To: Aliska
Even Jesus referred to one woman as a dog in front of other listeners. That had nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being a gentile. He tested her faith by explaining to her that he was not sent to her kind (whom the Jews considered dogs). When she persisted and would not take "no" for an answer, He relented and granted her a miracle.
She passed the test and thus pleased Jesus greatly.
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posted on
09/23/2003 12:14:16 PM PDT
by
Skooz
(All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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