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The author is clueless - as are the diocese of Cleveland and the liturgist who is quoted - as to what the new liturgical norms require and what they do not require.

NOTE: The Vatican has clarified that genuflecting is a good thing to do (even in the USA) immediately before one recieves commmunion and that kneeling to recieve communion can NEVER be considered illicit or disobedient. I don't recall any hand posture required or even recommended during the Our Father, and I also doubt that the new norms ask people to sing and stand throughout communion time. This "article" seems to be pure crapola.

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please ping

[Ken522]

Is this article an example of what's going on in the Novus Ordo these days? I'll stick with the Traditional Latin rite - Spera in Deo!

[NeoCaveman]

This article is from the Cleveland Plain Dealer from a month ago. It is full of falsehoods.

[NYer]

I believe a similar thread was posted by AkronAl a few weeks ago ..

Catholics to change Communion ritual [Cleveland Diocese Mandates More Destructive Changes to Mass]

[Argus]

From reading the article, this looks like more of the same from the US Bishops who have the ceaseless, nervous need of a hyperactive toddler to inject novelty into the Mass simply for the sake of doing something "different". I wouldn't be surprised if they suggested everybody do the hokey-pokey while receiving Communion, just for kicks.

[Incorrigible]

Ugh!  I lived in the Seattle area in 1994 and had to deal with all sorts of "foreign" activities during the Mass, especially for a traditional New Jersey Catholic guy.  Plus, in this particular church, there were no kneelers.

I'm glad the Irish born Monsignor of my current NJ Parish doesn't simply go with the flow on these types of issue.

[SengirV]

Add this to the changes in the last couple of years, and you are going to alienate me, AND I'M ONLY 33!!!! Every mass now is filled with the same "self important" people singing at every possible chance. Now, 10 minutes before mass even starts, there is the singing. Odd places before the 1st reading is filled with four verse songs. In between readings, another complete song. Two other times there are long drawn out songs. It's tooo much. It takes away from the mass, and the worse part of all, the SINGERS wait outside to shake hands like the priests. IS it a mass or amateur night at the Apollo? Distract us with singing why you pay out millions to victims and just transfer the pedophile priests to tiddle again. That is not the best strategy to keep/get people back.

[wideawake]

The GIRM says nothing about the ridiculous new practice of holding one's hands in the priest's orans position during the Pater Noster.

It's a completely extraliturgical hippy innovation.

[sinkspur]

The Vatican has clarified that genuflecting is a good thing to do (even in the USA) immediately before one recieves commmunion.

The Vatican has said that genuflecting before receiving the Eucharist is an acceptable alternative to bowing; no recommendation was made one way or another.

[Loyalist]

Pinging the orcs.

[newgeezer]

Doesn't this article belong in the Catholic -- er, I mean, Religion forum?

;O)

[Cicero]

As you say, this article is full of lies being pushed by the liberals and the liturgists. Sadly, many will follow their guidance while the bishops twiddle their thumbs.

[Campion]

Notice:

The diocese is encouraging people to return to their pews and continue to stand and sing until everyone has received Communion and the priest has sat down to pray.

The new GIRM says nothing about this; it's strictly an innovation that Cleveland is promoting. If I'm not mistaken, Rome has already said that the practice of kneeling after communion is "laudably retained".

[Final Authority]

My wife and I used to go to a certain mass in Manchester NH noted for the shortest duration. Parking was easy too as it was essentially a LeMans start after the host was accepted. The Priest used to place his wristwatch on the Altar like a college prof would do in a lecture hall. Mass was usually over in 20 to 22 minutes even with with the ushers running the collection baskets down the pews three times. It was very well attended. I think if genuflecting before accepting the host was required the mass would require at least several more minutes and will older folks get a dispensation? For income reasons I think some priests will look askance at the new regs. Do you think? BTW, I can't see hugging and hand waving never mind singing.

[Coleus]

I don't think the GRIM addresses these issues so it's fair game and up to the local bishops.

[ninenot]

The article likely reflects an accurate rendition of an interview with a Liturgy Club member who is making up rules on the fly.

No hand-waving is recommended by Rome; no "stand until we shut up" rule is recommended by Rome---

But in Cleveland, with the Pink Triangle on the Diocesan website--such rules are made. Grave Disorder reigns.

[Salvation]

But these are not the changes requested by the new GIRM. Cleveland, once again, is doing its own thing here!

[al_c]

Sounds like Cleveland is going off on their own on this. Yeah, there are guidelines that are forthcoming, but I've heard nothing in our parish about the hugging garbage and the standing after communion. I will not stand after receiving the host, I will kneel in adoration of my savior and send praises to His name in thanksgiving of His suffering for my sake.