[dangus]

>>He commands us to do what he commands because what he commands is the RIGHT and holy thing to do.>>

SO it is the RIGHT thing to do to vainly offer the promise of salvation to everyone, baptising the pathetic fools in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even though you know that they are damned to Hell, before they were even born?

Some God you have, who would create people for the sole purpose of watching them suffer, forever tormenting them in Hell, just so he could impress his chosen few with what a great guy he is! (Or do you hold that Satan created the sould afflicted with a lack of grace?)

No, I'll take my Catholic God, who calls us all to do What Jesus Would Do. He DID offer himself as propitiation for sins, but he calls us to become like him by sharing in his suffering and sacrificing ourselves for others' sin, so that we may also share in his glory.

[CCWoody]

Some God you have, who would create people for the sole purpose of watching them suffer, forever tormenting them in Hell, just so he could impress his chosen few with what a great guy he is! (Or do you hold that Satan created the sould afflicted with a lack of grace?) ~ dangus

1. God perfectly foreknew before he was ever created that a man would never submit to Him and would burn in Hell forever, yet created him anyway to this end.
2. God did not perfectly foreknow before he was ever created that a man would never submit to Him, but had to create him to find out what the man would do.

You pick, dangus. Will you affirm...


1. the Omniscience of God and admit that the LORD has made all things for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the Day of Doom,
   
   --- OR ---
   
   
2. will you deny the Omniscience and admit to being a blasphemer of God.

What say ye?

Woody.

You Might Be an Arminian If....

You think that "Calvinism" is arrogant for saying that God elects some and not others, but you think you are really humble for saying that God elected you because He knew you'd think He was a pretty swell dude for offering you a life preserver even though you were only in the shallow end of the pool anyway, and that in your niceness, you'd accept His offer of your own "free will".

[Texas_Dawg]

SO it is the RIGHT thing to do to vainly offer the promise of salvation to everyone, baptising the pathetic fools in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even though you know that they are damned to Hell, before they were even born?

Huh? How do I know if they have been "damned to Hell" or not?

He DID offer himself as propitiation for sins, but he calls us to become like him

Well, have you succeeded in being like Him yet? Good luck with that.

When you die and stand before Christ, I hope you have a better reason for His accepting you to live in eternity with him than that you at least partially deserve it. (Not that He still won't accept you anyway... which I hope He does, of course.)

[Frumanchu]

SO it is the RIGHT thing to do to vainly offer the promise of salvation to everyone, baptising the pathetic fools in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even though you know that they are damned to Hell, before they were even born?

Can you please explain to me where you got the notion that Calvinists somehow possess the knowledge of a man's heart and whether or not he is among the elect?

Some God you have, who would create people for the sole purpose of watching them suffer, forever tormenting them in Hell, just so he could impress his chosen few with what a great guy he is! (Or do you hold that Satan created the sould afflicted with a lack of grace?)

So God was powerless to stop men from falling. Surely God had the choice to begin with as far as whether or not He would create men, knowing that He would watch them suffer and forever torment them. Poor man. But God can suppress His conscience by 'impressing' us with His brutality.

Again...tell me what led you to believe that Calvinists hold this view, because you certainly didn't get it from us.

[Gamecock]

***who would create people for the sole purpose of watching them suffer, forever tormenting them in Hell***

So what are you saying, that He created them knowing that they wouldn't accept the Gospel? And he created them anyway, just to burn in hell.

That sounds like a loving God,,,,,

My friend, Salvation is God's to give. Like I already told you, read Romans 8&9.