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The Christ of Arminianism
A Puritan's Mind ^ | unknown | Rev. Steven Houck

Posted on 09/07/2003 6:36:06 PM PDT by nobdysfool

The Christ of Arminianism

The Bible warns us that in the last days in which we live there will be many false Christs-those who claim to be Christ but who are imposters. Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matt. 24:4-5). We who profess to be Christians must take heed. We must be very careful that we are not deceived. Our calling is to trust, love, and follow the true Christ and Him only. We may have nothing to do with the false Christs who are so numerous in our day.

We know about the Christ of the cults and other religions. He is a good man, a prophet, the first creation of God, a great spirit, a divine idea, or even a god himself. But he is not true and eternal God. He receives his existence from another who is greater than he. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ.

We know about the Christ of Roman Catholicism. They profess that He is true God. He suffered and died for the forgiveness of sin. He arose again, ascended into heaven, and is coming again. But he is not a complete Savior. The Christ of the Roman Catholics can not save sinners without their own good works and the intercession of priests. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ.

There is, however, another false Christ who is much more dangerous than the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism. He has deceived people for many years and he continues to deceive millions. This Christ is so dangerous that, if it were not impossible, he would deceive the very elect (Matt. 24:24). He is the Christ of Arminianism.

This false Christ is extremely dangerous because in many ways he appears to be the True Christ. They say that he is true God, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They say that he died on the cross to save sinners. They even say that he saves by his grace alone, without the work of man. This Christ will have nothing to do with the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism.

But watch out! Be warned! The Christ of Arminianism is not the Christ of the Bible. Do not be fooled!

1. The Christ of Arminianism - loves every individual person in the world and sincerely desires their salvation.

The Christ of the Bible - earnestly loves and desires the salvation of only those whom God has unconditionally chosen to salvation. (Ps. 5:5, Ps. 7:11, Ps. 11:5, Matt. 11:27, John 17:9-10, Acts 2:47, Acts 13:48, Rom. 9:10-13, Rom. 9:21-24, Eph. 1:3-4)

2. The Christ of Arminianism - offers salvation to every sinner and does all in his power to bring them to salvation. His offer and work are often frustrated, for many refuse to come.

The Christ of the Bible - effectually calls to Himself only the elect and sovereignly brings them to salvation. Not one of them will be lost. (Isa. 55:11, John 5:21, John 6:37-40, John 10:25-30, John 17:2, Phil. 2:13)

3. The Christ of Arminianism - can not regenerate and save a sinner who does not first choose Christ with his own "free will." All men have a "free will" by which they can either accept or reject Christ. That "free will" may not be violated by Christ.

The Christ of the Bible - sovereignly regenerates the elect sinner apart from his choice, for without regeneration the spiritually dead sinner can not choose Christ. Faith is not man's contribution to salvation but the gift of Christ which He sovereignly imparts in regeneration. (John 3:3, John 6:44 & 65, John 15:16, Acts 11:18, Rom. 9:16, Eph. 2:1,Eph. 2:8-10, Phil. 1:29, Hebr. 12:2)

4. The Christ of Arminianism - died on the cross for every individual person and thereby made it possible for every person to be saved. His death, apart from the choice of man, was not able to actually save anyone for many for whom he died are lost.

The Christ of the Bible - died for only God's elect people and thereby actually obtained salvation for all those for whom He died. His death was a substitutionary satisfaction which actually took away the guilt of His chosen people. (Luke 19:10, John 10:14-15 & 26, Acts 20:28, Rom. 5:10, Eph. 5:25, Hebr. 9:12, I Peter 3:18)

5. The Christ of Arminianism - loses many whom he has "saved" because they do not continue in faith. Even if he does give them "eternal security," as some say, that security is not based upon his will or work but the choice which the sinner made when he accepted Christ.

The Christ of the Bible - preserves His chosen people so that they can not lose their salvation but persevere in the faith to the very end. He preserves them by the sovereign electing will of God, the power of His death, and the mighty working of His Spirit. (John 5:24, John 10:26-29, Rom. 8:29-30, Rom. 8:35-39, I Peter 1:2-5, Jude 24-25)

As you can see, although the Christ of Arminianism and the Christ of the Bible may at first seem to be the same, they are very different. One is a false Christ. The other is the true Christ. One is weak and helpless. He bows before the sovereign "free will" of man. The other is the reigning Lord Who wills what He pleases and sovereignly accomplishes all that He wills.

If you believe and serve the Christ of Arminianism, you must recognize the fact that you do not serve the Christ of the Bible. You have been deceived! Study the Scriptures and learn of the True Christ. Pray for grace to repent and trust Christ as your sovereign


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To: exduck; CARepubGal; drstevej; RnMomof7
Does anyone happen to know some of the countries or areas where Calvinism ("Reformed" or by whatever name it may be called) is most prevalent in this present day? South Africa is one of which I am aware.

No, South Africa is primarily Anglican. Your "awareness" is somewhat lacking. Couldn't be your Bias, could it? Nah, I doubt that....

As far as "Geographic prevalence" goes, Calvinism is the dominant Protestant Religion in the Reformed heartland of Switzerland, and the "Presbyterian Switzerland" of South Korea.

Purely as a side-note, both of which have some of the most restrictive Anti-Abortion Laws on their respective Continents:

I'm sure that's purely a coincidence.

I'm sure it is also a coincidence that in terms of Economic Freedom, both Switzerland and South Korea are models to the entire world (one-third of all liquid assets in the world are stored in Swiss Banks)... and in terms of Gun Rights, John Calvin's Switzerland puts everyone to shame.

Switzerland hasn't fought a War in 500 years, not since John Calvin was Chief Pastor of Geneva. They never meddle in anyone's affairs... and everyone has an Assault Rifle. Violent Crime is practically non-existent, of course (despite the fact that minor recreational drugs are mostly legal for home usage).

Pro-Life. Pro-Capitalist. Every Household an Arsenal of fully-automatic weaponry. Almost no Violent Crime. No Wars -- ever. A Gold-Standard Currency which the entire world Banks on. All very Calvinistic.

Sounds awfully terrible to me.

How about you, "Duck"? Put your money where your Bias is, bucko.

Or pardon us while we laugh at you. "Dour Calvinists" do have a sense of humor, after all.

681 posted on 09/11/2003 12:51:49 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: CARepubGal
You may have something there. I'll think on it and get back with you this evening. :)
683 posted on 09/11/2003 5:55:40 AM PDT by snerkel
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To: exduck
Indeed, now I understand Switzerland presents evidence of worldly Calvinism.
684 posted on 09/11/2003 5:57:27 AM PDT by Cvengr (0:^) Purgatory hasta be still to far north.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; exduck; CARepubGal; snerkel
No, South Africa is primarily Anglican.

I think the South Africa argument is goofy. But I thought you guys considered Anglicans to be Calvinists based on the 35(?) Articles.

685 posted on 09/11/2003 6:04:17 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (9/11 Tribute www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: exduck
Fair enough.
687 posted on 09/11/2003 6:25:32 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (9/11 Tribute www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: xzins
It's not about deceiving anyone, Rn. It's about having a different view on some things. Imo, a denomination has 20 doctrinal points and you modify one....that doesn't make you a deceiver; it makes you a Christian

IF a group want to join a denomination and the pastor wants to affiliate with an established church body , and if then he is asked to affirm all the pillars of that church and he affirms them to the leaders even though he does not believe them is that no a lie?

Baptists have independent churches. The AOG . like the UM or the COTN do not.

It is one thing to have occasion to change a doctrinal stand after membership, it is another to to lie to get the affiliation .

The AOG say CLEARLY that their are NON negotiable  . That is a very clear statement on what they want taught in their churches.

688 posted on 09/11/2003 7:25:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Saved by grace,)
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To: RnMomof7
Rn, I'm a UM.

I don't affirm everything in their articles of religion or their doctrinal history and traditions.

There is transition taking place in the AOG regarding the necessity of "tongues evidence." Since it is BIBLICALLY TRUE that tongues is not required as evidence, then we can only say that that entire denomination is changing, AND we can say that the written documents of a denomination sometimes don't keep pace with the theology of its people.

It's not deceptive. It's growth and Christians are subject to it.

Otherwise, you are wrong to switch from one belief to another regarding calvinism. You were a member of your previous church, weren't you? There's no affirmation made by a pastor that isn't made by a member.
689 posted on 09/11/2003 7:33:02 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: xzins
Does the UMC have articles of religion or just some suggestions in a three ring binder?

Think and let think, ya know.
690 posted on 09/11/2003 7:40:22 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
They have articles of religion.

The article on "Christian perfection" is a Methodist distinctive on which there has been growth in the direction of a more historically orthodox view.

Is that good or bad?
691 posted on 09/11/2003 7:44:17 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: xzins
Are the articles of religion required beliefs for UMC clergy or just a "historical witness" to Methodist beliefs. Hence optional?
692 posted on 09/11/2003 7:46:24 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
The articles of faith are not the same as a confession of faith.

We affirm that we will "support and uphold" them.

The intent of the originator was that they not be optional. If I remember correctly, they are listed as founding documents and are not able to be changed.

But they do require "interpretation"....especially the Christian perfection article.

693 posted on 09/11/2003 7:55:50 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: xzins
This makes no sense to me, Xzins.

[1] Everywhere else articles of faith and a confession are the same. I fail to see a distinction.

[2] How in the world do you "uphold and support" doctrines you do not believe?
[3] When in Cape Girardeau the nearby UMC church had a Oral Roberts grad as pastor and Reformed Seminary grad as associate pastor. The UMCchurch downtown had rank liberals as pastors. Who upheld what?
694 posted on 09/11/2003 8:01:19 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
The articles of religion and a confession of faith are not the same. One is a denominational statement. The other is a personal confession. That is why many of us are part of the Confessing Movement. It is partially about ESTABLISHING a confession of faith within our denomination. That confession would then have to be written. In other words, they are viewed more creedally than confessionally. A creed is a general statement whereas a confession is a specific statement. For example, you might affirm the "Apostles Creed." However, you give yourself appropriate leeway in interpreting that creed to your situation. Take "from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead." You interpret that premillennially, and other interpret it amillennially.

It doesn't mean you disavow the article.

How would an AOG reinterpret "tongue evidence?" I don't know. I'd have to see how they've written it; see how restrictive they've actually made it.

695 posted on 09/11/2003 8:30:46 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: xzins
"Take "from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead." You interpret that premillennially, and other interpret it amillennially."

A few months ago ~you~ understood this as distinctly "amillennial" (as are all the early creeds).

Now you want to try to "interpret" this "premillennially"?

No "if's", "and's", or "but's" about it, x, "from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead" can only be "post"-millennial (Amillennial/Postmillennial) as you honestly acknowledged a few months ago.

...now, back to the regularly scheduled programming...

Jean

696 posted on 09/11/2003 8:40:25 AM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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To: xzins
***For example, you might affirm the "Apostles Creed." However, you give yourself appropriate leeway in interpreting that creed to your situation.***

Sounds like liberal "living creed" babble to me. If anyone can read whatever they want into the articles, they say NOTHING AT ALL. NO wonder the Methodist Church is so riddled with heresy.

Xzins, I don't see how you can handle it.

***Take "from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead." You interpret that premillennially, and other interpret it amillennially.***

This article was not intended to distinguish between pre and a mils, it was written to affirm a final judgment of living and dead people.

***One is a denominational statement. The other is a personal confession. ***

A denominational statement that isn't a personal confession is a museum piece, nothing more. It is a deception implying to others a group's beliefs when no one has to subscribe to it as it was intended and everyone can make ist say any thing they please.

I grew up Methodist, my parents are still methodist. Heck I even spent a semester at Candler School of Apostasy. Honestly, you guys ought to leave and turn out the lights.
697 posted on 09/11/2003 8:47:16 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: Jean Chauvin
You have a better memory than I do.

I don't see it as amillennial. I see it as a general statement that can be read any number of ways.

But that really doesn't matter.

What matters is the range in which it can legitimately fit.

Everyone can affirm that "he's coming back and he will judge."
698 posted on 09/11/2003 8:50:05 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: drstevej
You point me to a church that has a confession of faith that agrees in all points with what I believe, and I'll be glad to go join it.

I'm looking for those churches that are closest to what I understand to be true.

I guess I could start my own denomination....like the world needs another one!

"From thence...judge...living and dead." It is the only eschatological statement in the creed. All eschatology must align with it. But, it doesn't specifically define all of eschatology.
699 posted on 09/11/2003 9:09:32 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: xzins
Where would you disagree with our doctrinal statement?

http://www.thechapelnet.com/home/doctrine.asp

***I guess I could start my own denomination....like the world needs another one!***

But do you really agree with you? :~)
700 posted on 09/11/2003 9:53:11 AM PDT by drstevej
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