Posted on 03/27/2003 12:23:05 PM PST by NYer
They pick this war because they're trying to get on the good side of the press, and because about 99.5% of them are raving liberals who have been corrupted by 40 years of content-free post VatII religion. Things like abortion, divorce, homosexuality, etc. are of absolutely no interest to much of the clergy, especially if they suspect that traditional Catholic doctrine (horrors!) would conflict with their trendy liberal doctrine.
The priest in our church tried that shortly after 9/11. An audible rumble went through the congregation and he stopped short, mumbled something, and quit the pulpit.
Last week, a visiting missionary asked parishioners to fill out a form for his order's magazine and put them in the collection basket. He then made some veiled criticism of the war, at which point all the people sitting around us put the forms quietly into the missile rack -- didn't see one in the collection basket.
God works in mysterious ways, and I can't help thinking that the church's handling of the pederasty scandal has steeled the hearts -- and spines -- of at least some Catholics to the next attack on decency, i.e. the anti-war, peace-at-any-price crusaders among the hierarchy.
Or St. Thomas Aquinas.
But then again...many seminaries dropped Aquinas back in the fifties. These liberal priests and bishops embrace a "moral theology" known today as proportionalism. (no such thing as "Intrinsic" evil)
We have a long and difficult fight ahead to regain lost ground.
II Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
Looks pretty clear to me that we are to "stick to the Bible", in the words of the Bible itself.
Nowadays, Church of England is much more, Hello, how are you. Much more a hobby-type
Hello. A lot of people in Church of England have no muscles in their arms. Hello, yes
Ha ha ha, yes, thats what I thought. Ha ha. Do do come in, youre the only one today. Now the sermon today is taken from a magazine I found that I found in a hedge. Now, uh, lipstick colors this, uh, season are in the, uh, frosted pink area and, uh, nail colors to match. And, uh, this reminds me rather of our Lord Jesus! Because surely, when Jesus went into Nazareth on a donkey, he must have got tarted up a bit. We will now sing four hymn 405, Oh God, What on Earth is, uh, is My Hairdo All About? Oh God, what on earth is my hai-airdo
Good to know. Our own church leadership leans left (multi-culti, feminized) more than I'd like, and it's gotten more obnoxious over the past year. I've intentionally stopped tithing to the church. Only exception I make is if the church is acting as a clearinghouse for money to go to another member in need. We've had at least one heated discussion erupt in a service when the preacher started browbeating people for not praying for their enemies. Very interesting to see how people define their allegiances (nationalistic, religious, whatever) when the heat is turned up.
This is what I pray for every night. I too have had the unpleasent experience of walking out of mass because a liberal priest went on a rampage. It worked out OK though. I walked out in the middle of the homily, got in the car, and drove to the next closest church in my area. That church was doing the annual fund raiser and having the people fill out envelopes, so when I got there, I picked up right where I had left off in the previous mass. I didn't miss a thing(lol).
On the subject of "putting the flag before Jesus". I think there are alot of Catholics (including our Archbishop here in LA Ca ) who put their socialist dreams before Jesus,( even to the point of supporting pro abortion people) and try to pass off socialism as the will of the Almighty Father, but, I know this isn't answering the question of the flag before Jesus..
I have struggled with this. I think there is a reason why the stories of scandals broke BEFORE the War. The sex scandals revealed a moral paralysis in the Church. They couldn't handle evil when confronted with it. As with the sex scandals, after 9/11, they sputtered and were indecisive about what to do.
The conclusion I have reached is that we are trying to confront evil and free the Iraqi people, not to mention protect ourselves, and the world, from bio, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Our soldiers have been brutalized and killed in the attempt. You only have to watch a few minutes of the nightly news coverage to see that Saddam is evil. He keeps committing more and more atrocities against, not just our people, but his own people. Not to mention all the atrocities he and his regime committed before the war started, like torturing and murdering children while their parents are forced to watch, dropping people in acid, or, putting them feet first into a plastic shredder, numerous rapes exc.. This is pure, black-hearted EVIL. I do not beleive that Jesus wants people to "turn the other cheek" in this case. I ask WWJD in the good samaritan parable if HE came upon the man being beaten by thugs, who the Samaritan man helped. If HE(Jesus) witnessed the man being beaten would HE stand there and do nothing? Would HE wait until they were finished beating up the man and then merely bind up his wounds? We are not being lukewarm in our response to Saddam. We are not in Iraq because of our flag. We are trying to free the Iraqi people from Husseins brutality. May God help us achieve our goal.
As a final concern, I have considered leaving the Church. I have a HARD time getting to mass ( that's partly because I work on both Saturday and Sunday). I expect to be upset on Sundays now. But, I go because that is what God asks us to do, regardless of weather the priest is annoying. I have alot to be thankful for in my life . I want to give thanks and continue to pray for our troops, nation, and President Bush. I continue to pray for guidance for all of us. We need God now more than ever before. And, I have my back up plan of driving to the other Church if if gets too bad. I'm not saying we shouldn't confront out of control liberal priests (I think they do a terrible mis-deed to our military and their families when they go off like this) but don't leave the whole Church over it
"ALL scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine..."
* * * DOES NOT EQUAL * * *
"ONLY scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine..."
This Timothy passage indicates that scripture is certainly one thing "given by God" that is "profitable for doctrine.." and does NOT exclude the notion that there are other things that are "given by God" that are "profitable for doctrine..."
You completely ignored the words "throughly furnished." If, by scripture, the man of God is throughly furnished why is there a need for anything else?
He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
We still have the letters, but does anybody now what Paul said. Could you let me in on the secret?
But where do I find Paul's oral teachings?
Your pastor has it right. I don't know much about the Chicago Diocese but here in Albany, the parishioners have survived under the 25 year reign of one of the most liberal bishops in the US.
The pastor at Sacred Heart in Troy delivered an insidious message. It goes well beyond distasteful.
Thank you for posting. Let me know if you want to be on a catholic ping list.
Yeah, but different churchs tell me different things. Who's right?
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