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To: Notwithstanding
If your church stuck to the bible it would not be sticking to the bible.
(Nowhere does the bible say "stick to the bible")

II Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Looks pretty clear to me that we are to "stick to the Bible", in the words of the Bible itself.

46 posted on 03/27/2003 1:38:21 PM PST by vrwc1
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To: vrwc1
"ALL scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine..."

* * * DOES NOT EQUAL * * *

"ONLY scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine..."

This Timothy passage indicates that scripture is certainly one thing "given by God" that is "profitable for doctrine.." and does NOT exclude the notion that there are other things that are "given by God" that are "profitable for doctrine..."





The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).

And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.

Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time. "’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25). Note that the word has been "preached"—that is, communicated orally. This would endure. It would not be
supplanted by a written record like the Bible (supplemented, yes, but not supplanted), and would continue to have its own authority.

This is made clear when the apostle Paul tells Timothy: "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). Here we see the first few links in the chain of apostolic tradition that has been passed down intact from the apostles to our own day. Paul instructed Timothy to pass on the oral teachings (traditions) that he had received from the apostle. He was to give these to men who would be able to teach others, thus perpetuating the chain. Paul gave this instruction not long before his death (2 Tim. 4:6–8), as a reminder to Timothy of how he should conduct his ministry.





52 posted on 03/27/2003 2:51:52 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Airborne Vet)
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To: vrwc1
"Looks pretty clear to me that we are to "stick to the Bible", in the words of the Bible itself"

I don't see that the citations you present mean that at all. Not even through the most tortured, tendentious reading possible can I wring from those words the proposition that God has only spoken through the Bible.
79 posted on 03/27/2003 5:40:12 PM PST by dsc
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To: vrwc1
and is profitable for doctrine

Notice it says "profitable" and not "solely sufficient"
84 posted on 03/27/2003 6:09:19 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: vrwc1
"... If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy..."

This applies to the book of Revelation only. The Bible as such didn't exist until the 4th century.
143 posted on 03/31/2003 4:57:06 PM PST by nosofar
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