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Priest (Fr. Benedict Groeschel) plays down abuse crisis; helps clergy keep jobs
Dallas Morning News | 3/2/2003 | Brooks Egerton

Posted on 03/02/2003 8:54:18 AM PST by sinkspur

Prominent friar's counseling criticized by NJ diocese, victims

In the world according to Father Benedict Groeschel, the Catholic Church's sexual abuse scandal is largely the stuff of fiction. Reporters "doing the work of Satan" are driven to lie, the New York priest says, because they hate the church's moral teachings.

These are not the opinions of a marginal figure. Indeed, Father Groeschel is one of the most prominent priests in America, reaching millions with his books, tapes, parish lectures and regular appearances on the Eternal Word Television Network.

His stature is high among many church leaders, too – he has heard the confessions of a cardinal, consulted with the Vatican on a case for sainthood, been a friend to Mother Teresa.

The preface to his media-blaming 2002 book From Scandal to Hope was written by Milwaukee Archbishop Timothy Dolan, who praised Father Groeschel for putting the abuse scandal in context.

For all his commentary on the crisis, Father Groeschel has revealed few details about his role as a player in it: He has been a key figure for 30 years in the loose-knit nationwide network of therapists who have helped troubled priests keep working.

The Franciscan friar's base is a mansion on Long Island Sound, where he runs the Archdiocese of New York's spiritual development office and Trinity Retreat Center for clergy. There, according to his own written account, he has counseled hundreds of his brethren and "happily, 85 priests have returned to the active ministry."

Father Groeschel, who declined interview requests, has not said publicly how many of his clients were accused of abuse. Archdiocesan spokesman Joseph Zwilling would not comment on Father Groeschel.

Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann has allowed one of his priests, removed from parish work after the diocese concluded he had abused a girl, to help manage the retreat center in recent years. That priest, the Rev. Richard T. Brown, moved to a hermitage a few months ago and "is not contactable," said Father Groeschel's secretary, June Pulitano. Neither she nor Bishop Grahmann's spokesman, Bronson Havard, would identify the hermitage.

Mr. Zwilling said Father Brown "never did any pastoral work" in the archdiocese and did not have its permission to serve as a priest there.

Leaders of the neighboring Diocese of Paterson, N.J., one of several that sent business to Father Groeschel, blamed three "unfortunate" reassignments on his advice. Two of those priests were subsequently accused of misconduct in their new jobs.

"We relied on his recommendations," said Marianna Thompson, spokeswoman for Paterson Bishop Frank Rodimer. Father Groeschel used words such as "transformation," she said, and helped arrange transfers between dioceses.

Ms. Thompson said Father Groeschel had much to recommend him – he had taught pastoral psychology at Catholic institutions and had a doctorate in psychology from Columbia University's Teachers College. He had close ties to the late New York Cardinal John O'Connor, who endorsed the friar's secession from a Franciscan order in the 1980s and formation of a new group that has won renown for service to the poor. The cardinal earlier had Father Groeschel prepare the sainthood case for the previous leader of New York Catholics, Cardinal Terence Cooke, for whom the priest had served as confessor.

In From Scandal to Hope, completed shortly before the nation's bishops met in Dallas last summer, Father Groeschel acknowledged that some priests had abused boys. He described the problem as "active homosexuality with minors," stressing that most victims were teenagers and never mentioning girls.

"Many of the cases now in the papers are about clergy who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol two or three decades ago, engaged in improper actions, but not sexual acts," he wrote. "They went into treatment and have behaved well over the years."

Father Groeschel also said that church leaders sometimes had relied, to their detriment, on the advice of behavioral experts.

"I've been involved in psychology for four decades, and we in the profession were naïve enough to think that these offenders could almost always be cured," he wrote. Therapists "often were correct in their assessments," but "were sometimes tragically wrong about a particular case."

Father Groeschel said nothing in his book about his own success rate in treating priests.

He saved his harshest words for the news media's coverage of the abuse issue, which he called a "blitz of lies." Like Adolf Hitler, he wrote, news organizations are "spreading lies in order to destroy" the Catholic Church.

"When a scandal occurs," the priest wrote, "about two percent of what is said in the media is true." Last month, he made similar statements to a standing-room-only crowd at a suburban Boston church.

Such statements have infuriated victims. "It just burns me to no end," said Buddy Cotton, who has accused the Rev. James Hanley of abusing him in the Paterson Diocese and recently called Bishop Rodimer to complain about Father Groeschel.

The bishop, Mr. Cotton said, agreed that Father Groeschel "had failed a lot of victims."

Ms. Thompson, the bishop's spokeswoman, said Father Groeschel's critique of the media was misguided. "Bishop Rodimer has told the media, 'Thank you for opening the window on this,' " she said. "The media have been fair. We created this story, not the press."

The victims

Father Groeschel has said he is sensitive to victims. "As a psychologist for priests, I have occasionally spoken to the victims of priests and to their families," he wrote in From Scandal to Hope. "I can only say that I am deeply, deeply grieved. I often had to accept their anger, not directed personally at me, but at Church authorities. ...

"I am willing," he added, "to suffer with the victims."

Mark Serrano, who also has said that Father Hanley abused him as a boy, questioned Father Groeschel's sincerity. His skepticism, he said, is based on an experience he had after his family's complaints led Bishop Rodimer to suspend Father Hanley.

In 1986, the year after the abuse complaints, Mr. Serrano agreed to talk to Father Groeschel, who was counseling Father Hanley. Mr. Serrano, who was then a college student, said he thought the counselor "wanted more information" for therapeutic purposes. Instead, Mr. Serrano said, Father Groeschel lashed out at him.

"He said, 'Why don't you stop harassing this poor priest? He's a sick man. You are wrong for what you're doing to him.' "

Monsignor Kenneth Lasch, a Paterson diocesan priest, said he had urged Mr. Serrano to talk with Father Groeschel because the friar had expressed pastoral concern for Mr. Serrano – "something like, 'Mark seems to be a troubled person.' "

Hearing Mr. Serrano's account of what ensued "left me very, very uncomfortable," Monsignor Lasch said, "and made me wonder what was going on" at Father Groeschel's retreat center.

Father Groeschel's 2002 book warned that Catholics would still face a crisis after "the media monster ... slither[s] away to attack other victims." He prescribed a return to conservative moral teachings, saying that nothing would restore confidence in church leadership "better than a firm stance against pornography, extramarital sex, abortion, euthanasia and the general moral decline of the United States. ... Tough topics like contraception and autoeroticism need to be consistently and publicly addressed."

He said that the news media fail to mention that most priests aren't pedophiles, that cover-ups occur in other denominations, and that abusers "are among the most penitent people I've ever met in my whole life."

He cited the example of the late Atlanta Archbishop Eugene Marino, who resigned in 1990 after an affair with a young woman in lay ministry and went to Father Groeschel's retreat center, in the New York City suburb of Larchmont. He "lived a life of extreme humiliation, humility and penitence," Father Groeschel wrote.

In the mid-1990s, Archbishop Marino became spiritual director of the outpatient Clergy Consultation and Treatment Service at St. Vincent's Hospital, near Trinity Retreat. It was formed at the request of the late Cardinal O'Connor and works closely with the retreat center.

One priest who was counseled by Archbishop Marino and Father Groeschel was the Rev. Morgan Kuhl.

He was sent to them in 1999, after he solicited sex online from undercover officers posing as adolescent boys and was arrested. The subsequent FBI investigation showed that he had met teens this way and abused them.

Clergy treatment

The prosecution of Father Kuhl, who has been removed from ministry, opened a rare window into the Catholic clergy treatment system.

A psychologist who evaluated Father Kuhl for federal prosecutors recommended that he "be enrolled in a program specific to sex offenders," not just in the general psychotherapy and spiritual counseling he was getting. Dr. Barry Katz wrote that the priest "expressed regret over the effects that his actions have had upon himself, but no remorse for the effect that his actions have had upon the minors with whom he was involved."

After pleading guilty, Father Kuhl apologized to a judge for "the hurt and the embarrassment that I have caused so many other people." He also said he had devoted his life to helping others, and had learned in church-sponsored therapy "that there was one person I never did seem to try to help, and that was myself."

U.S. District Judge Anne Thompson initially sentenced Father Kuhl to a short prison term followed by house arrest. But she later reduced the penalty, over the objections of prosecutor Donna Krappa, to five years of probation and ordered the priest to "adhere to the program requirements at Trinity Retreat."

In advocating probation, Father Groeschel represented himself to the court as a counseling psychologist, Ms. Krappa said in an interview. New York state officials said he has never had the license generally required for use of that title. Using the title without a license is a misdemeanor, state officials said.

"I think that the judge would have been interested in this fact," Ms. Krappa said, "when she considered the quality of treatment Father Kuhl was receiving through the archdiocese."


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To: sinkspur
Reread the quote in the article. Your quote is not accurate. Fr. Groeschel is not quoted as referencing the pervert as anything but a "poor priest". He certainly did not refer to him as a "good man" but rather as a "sick man." Who can disagree? However criminal or sinful, that priest/pervert's behavior is certainly sick.
101 posted on 03/03/2003 8:45:22 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: B Knotts
And a tip of the antlers to you, sir, for discovering and exposing the real root of this article: the zealous hatred of the Roman Catholic Church by the "gays" and lesbians and specifically by Mr. or Ms. Brooks Egerton in his/her/its capacity as chairman of the Texas Chapter of the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists. Do members of his/her/its group implicitly tell the lies necessary to the support of their perversions as a condition of membership?
102 posted on 03/03/2003 8:51:32 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Dajjal
Speaking of agendas!!!!!!!!!!!!
103 posted on 03/03/2003 9:09:16 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk
Happy to be of service! :-)
104 posted on 03/03/2003 9:34:59 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BlackElk
Well done, BE.
105 posted on 03/03/2003 10:25:02 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: BlackElk; sandyeggo; american colleen; Polycarp; Siobhan
Your argument relies rather ridiculously on the premise of "the author is a fag, we won't believe him". What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

I am going to point out that in the past few months, the uber Catholics of FR have pretty much destroyed a previously thriving and pleasant Catholic Caucus that had a lot of participants and several non-Catholic defenders. Think about it - how many Catholics want to post and hear the endless screams of "you're not Catholic enough" from those of you who are more theologically pure than the Curia? Already, only a handful of you post in order to pat one another on the back, you are occasionally joined by a very few SSPX folks, and sinkspur is about the only person on here who has the wit and the patience to put up with this nonsense on a routine basis.

You want to know why your Church is in crisis? Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

106 posted on 03/03/2003 10:51:17 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; BlackElk
Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

Go back to your nude cruises, you moral degenerate.

You are in no position to lecture us Catholics here.

107 posted on 03/03/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: sinkspur
For later read.
108 posted on 03/03/2003 10:57:52 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

Groeschel has counseled literally hundres of priests. If he had a recidivism rate of 3 out of several hundred, that's not too damn bad.

Go back under your rock, troll.

109 posted on 03/03/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Are you offereing your criticism as an ambassador for the Dark Side of the Force or as an Eastern Orthodox layman or as a 'clothing optional' enthusiast?
110 posted on 03/03/2003 11:01:40 AM PST by Siobhan (Saint Joseph, pray for us.)
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To: Polycarp
In other words, you won't address the fact that average, everyday Catholics no longer feel comfortable posting to Catholic threads here on FR. I'm saying that it is directly related to the scorn, derision and moral condecension heaped by your merry little band upon any of those who dare to differ from your stern theological line - especially as evidenced by your reaction to this article.
111 posted on 03/03/2003 11:04:13 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Siobhan
I'm offering this up as someone who just read a nasty and shameful treatment of a poster and a topic. You are the one who should be most embarrassed of all, because you were nastiest, and I can say I find your invocation of a prayer in tagline to be the grossest display of pharisaic hypocrisy I've ever seen on this board.
112 posted on 03/03/2003 11:08:57 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Siobhan
Get behind me, Satan:

To: MarMema

Nor do you.

All one needs do is review Chancellor Palpitine's posts for the last several months to see that 1) he is a recent convert to Orthodoxy, 2) he is frequently engaged in discussions of legal issues/law cases, and uses language familiar to the legal profession (not medicine, as he has claimed to me to be in the med field) 3) he frequently discusses/criticizes the red-neck culture of his southern state and surrounding states (to the complete abscence of any comments about his earlier supposed location of Alaska, which he has since changed to "USA") 4) he is still obsessed with posting Catholic clergy scandal stories, and uses exactly the same phrases in his screeds, 5) he is still obsessed with anti-Catholic views that have no roots in reality, and 6) he pings the same anti-Catholics to threads now as he did under the OPH screen name, 7) he attacks the same Catholic FReepers as he did under the OPH screen name, 8) he makes the same anti-pro-lifer comments as he did under the OPH screen name, and 9) he makes the same inane statements about my own profession as he did under the OPH screen name.

The gigs up, MarMena. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

I also know that regardless of his abuse victimhood, there is simply no excuse for CP/OPH's behavior, willful deceptions, and slanders on this forum.

Again, I have seen you post too many bogus anti-Catholic statements to trust that you would not help hide OPH's identity. Dishonesty is usually habitual.


40 posted on 01/19/2003 9:34 PM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: MarMema; sinkspur

do you really check posts

When a poster habitually slanders an entire faith and all its adherents, then leaves the forum, only to be replaced by another poster using the same one-trick-pony bigotry, its not a bad idea to figure out why.

Especially when that poster's objectivity, and thus veracity, is compromised by extensive subjective involvement in the issue under debate.

Sink,

I stand by my assertion. OPH has obviously decided that now that he is "anonymous" using this new screen name, he can insult any Catholic he damn well pleases.

Just how many Kentucky (?)-lawyer-convert-to-Orthodoxy-anti-Catholic-sex-scandal-obsessed Americans do you think live in this country?

And of those few, how many do you think FREep?

Its OPH till proven otherwise Sink.

Sorry your old buddy OPH has decided to screw you too. You are Catholic, and under his new screen name, you're fair game.


45 posted on 01/20/2003 1:44 AM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: MarMema

Is OPH taking the naked cruise or the naked flight? He posted a personal journal on these threads a couple of years ago about the nudist cruise vacation he took with his wife. It was bizarre. That completely framed his every post against the church, for me, from that day forward. One Particular Harbor couldn't overcome his own particular guilt, or lack thereof, and the Church's unyielding official standard of morality was a bit nettlesome for him. He had a fascination with porn and stripping and defending Orthdoxy over Catholicism. Well, MarMema, you keep company with him? I am not surprised. Paging Chancellor Palpatine-be sure to always carry sunblock. V's wife.


63 posted on 01/20/2003 11:19 AM EST by ventana
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To: ventana

Didn't OPH leave the Forum over a revelation of marital infidelity?


65 posted on 01/20/2003 11:58 AM EST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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To: Polycarp

I don't know about that, I just know he went on this wacky trip and his wife went and everybody was standing around on board the cruise sipping cocktails in their birthday suits, and I found the whole thing bizarre. Especially since he was also fond of talking up the benefits of strip clubs and massage parlors. While also talking down the Church. Actually, on a lot of other posts he was a funny, informed guy who sounded like a pretty good lawyer. I just always thought his fixation on porn stuff and strippers and particularly his cruise, seemed a little odd, especially after he set himself up to tackle the sins of Church. I also find it and found it odd with him, that the position so many non Catholic's take is that we loyal Catholics in any way excuse pervert priests: nobody does! Nor does anyone to my knowledge excuse negligent hierarchs. We may be greived, but we don't excuse. It seems like a convenient way for people who already hate Catholicism to vent. And they expect us to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have a problem, we are talking about it. In recognizing it, it seems silly for them to expect us to leave the Church. I didn't leave the USA when Bill Clinton was President, I did start freeping a lot. Anyway, in all things charity. I wish there were more charity between non-C's and C's. Similarly, between Orthodox C's and the more mainstream. I like reading what you, or American Colleen or Ultima and Sinkspur have to say. I find others in the Protestant camp informative. I only wish we could explain our differences and yet maintain charity towards each other. V's wife.


70 posted on 01/20/2003 12:48 PM EST by ventana
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113 posted on 03/03/2003 11:10:59 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Thank you so very much. Coming from you I am encouraged more than you can know!
114 posted on 03/03/2003 11:12:39 AM PST by Siobhan (Saint Joseph, pray for us.)
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To: Polycarp
Non-sequitur.

Address your responsibility for what you've done to the Catholic Caucus.

115 posted on 03/03/2003 11:17:19 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Siobhan; Chancellor Palpatine
Coming from you I am encouraged more than you can know!

LOL!!!

he went on this wacky trip and his wife went and everybody was standing around on board the cruise sipping cocktails in their birthday suits, and I found the whole thing bizarre. Especially since he was also fond of talking up the benefits of strip clubs and massage parlors. While also talking down the Church.

...his fixation on porn stuff and strippers and particularly his cruise, seemed a little odd, especially after he set himself up to tackle the sins of Church.

116 posted on 03/03/2003 11:21:20 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
LOL! I owe no more answers to you, pervert, than Groeschel owes to the pervert author of this hit piece.
117 posted on 03/03/2003 11:22:23 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
average, everyday Catholics no longer feel comfortable posting to Catholic threads here on FR...directly related to the scorn, derision and moral condecension heaped by your merry little band upon any of those who dare to differ from your stern theological line

Address your responsibility for what you've done to the Catholic Caucus.

Let the Catholic Caucus address it.

Catholic Caucus,

I'm also pinging the approximately 80 Catholics on my ping list. If I have sinned against you, mea culpa.

(If I have not, please join me in politely telling Chancellor Palpatine --otherwise known as One_Particular_Harbour-- to get lost ;-)

118 posted on 03/03/2003 12:22:08 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
this is a waste of time

naturally old pants-on-fire-palpatine will claim that ANYone who responds favorably is no doiffeent than old ornery evil polycarp

we'll see
119 posted on 03/03/2003 12:34:32 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; Siobhan; sinkspur
Why don't you stop harrassing this poor priest? He is a sick man. You are wrong for what you are doing to him.

I doubt whether Fr. Groeschel said exactly what is quoted and remember we do not know how long they talked and what Mr. Serrano was doing to "harrass". But for the sake of the argument say the quote is accurate.

What would our opinion of Father be,if as a priest and/or confessor and/or psychologist he had said,"It's healthy to continue harrassing this poor priest. He is a sick man and you are right in doing what you're doing to him"?

After all "Vengeance is mine said the Lord". And,in the natural world as well as the supernatural,at a certain livel of understanding everyone agrees that is futile and self defeating to carry hate,anger and venom on the journey home.

And I say this while not a particular fan of Father G.,who is too saintly,gentle and kind to be my cup of tea. However,I think the writer of the article is a person with an agenda,and that agenda does not call for finding that an active homosexual clergy is for the most part responsible for the current scandal.

120 posted on 03/03/2003 12:37:42 PM PST by saradippity
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