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You know that! You have a hatred in your heart for the Calvinist position that tells me that you've been burned by someone of the Calvinist persuasion, and now you're out to cause any Calvinist you meet as much trouble as you can. Is that what Jesus would do? Your posts back to us drip of hatred and strife. You aren't interested in debating or learning anything, you just want to disrupt. I can't stop you from doing so, but I can point it out when I see it.

Nice rant. But you don't know me well enough to level those charges. If I really wanted to disrupt, I assure you, you would know it. I have witnesses.

For the record, I wasn't burned by Calvinism. I had the good sense to get out. But I saw it destroy a young family. The wife, a new believer, was told her husband was not one of the elect. When they were having marital troubles, she wasn't counseled, just told she couldn't sing with the praise and worship team, so she left. They haven't been back in a church, any church in over four years. He forbids her to go or to take their two children.

But even that isn't the point.

I'm stuck on what Calvinism tells me. I'm sorry you don't like it. That's not my problem.

And yeah, Jesus pointed out the shortcomings of the religious leaders. They didn't like him either.

So if you can't post to me without being snippy, don't bother. I'm off to watch the war.

For the record, I wasn't burned by Calvinism. I had the good sense to get out. But I saw it destroy a young family. The wife, a new believer, was told her husband was not one of the elect. When they were having marital troubles, she wasn't counseled, just told she couldn't sing with the praise and worship team, so she left. They haven't been back in a church, any church in over four years. He forbids her to go or to take their two children.

What you have here is quite obviously something that never should have happened, done by some little pinhead of a preacher that is completely out of step with the Word, and God. You blame the entire Calvinist theology for the stupid actions of one idiot who never should have been put into the ministry. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I wasn't trying to be snippy, just trying to get to the root of your attitude. If you want to engage in serious discussion, with a view to truly understanding, I am happy to oblige, as well as many others. If it's just going to be more inflammatory Calvinist-baiting to derail discussion, I want no part of it. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and we both know what opinions are like. I have been blasted by some Calvinists for not being Calvinist enough, but I am still here. The truth always wins out in the end.