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To: Corin Stormhands
For the record, I wasn't burned by Calvinism. I had the good sense to get out. But I saw it destroy a young family. The wife, a new believer, was told her husband was not one of the elect. When they were having marital troubles, she wasn't counseled, just told she couldn't sing with the praise and worship team, so she left. They haven't been back in a church, any church in over four years. He forbids her to go or to take their two children.

What you have here is quite obviously something that never should have happened, done by some little pinhead of a preacher that is completely out of step with the Word, and God. You blame the entire Calvinist theology for the stupid actions of one idiot who never should have been put into the ministry. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I wasn't trying to be snippy, just trying to get to the root of your attitude. If you want to engage in serious discussion, with a view to truly understanding, I am happy to oblige, as well as many others. If it's just going to be more inflammatory Calvinist-baiting to derail discussion, I want no part of it. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and we both know what opinions are like. I have been blasted by some Calvinists for not being Calvinist enough, but I am still here. The truth always wins out in the end.

317 posted on 03/17/2003 2:24:20 PM PST by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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To: nobdysfool; xzins; fortheDeclaration
You blame the entire Calvinist theology for the stupid actions of one idiot who never should have been put into the ministry.

No. That's just one example. And I've discussed it with other Calvinists here. That church had many other issues and has since in the five years we left had a major split. But it does address an attitude I've seen from some Calvinists. Not all.

If you want to engage in serious discussion, with a view to truly understanding, I am happy to oblige, as well as many others.

I've been serious about everything I've said. Nothing anyone has said here has convinced me to change my view of Calvinism. In fact, it's been reenforced.

The truth always wins out in the end.

Of that we can be certain.

322 posted on 03/17/2003 6:38:00 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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