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To: Corin Stormhands
There's no need to be patronizing just because your crowd can't defend your theology.

Patronizing? Hardly! Merely pointing out what I see and hear. It is obvious to me that you do not have a clear understanding of the Calvinist position, and that you haven't learned the finer points of constructing a logical argument. You drop "bombs" designed to supposedly "answer" arguments, or "disprove" someone else's position, but you don't engage in actual logical presentation of your position and why you believe it to be right. You're more content to act as a "yes man" for ftD than to actually present a cogent and logically laid out statement of your belief and why you believe it. Just quoting "proof texts" isn't going to cut it, because we can lob those back and forth at each other all day long.

Saying that God makes man sin is like saying that because you allowed your teenage son to drive the car, and he has an accident, that you caused him to wreck the car; or, because you allowed your daughter to go out on a date, and she has sex and gets pregnant, that you caused her pregnancy. That is precisely the logic you are employing, and it is obviously wrong. No Calvinist I know of would hold to such a position, that God causes man to sin, or that God is the author (originator) of sin. That connection exists within your own mind, due to faulty understanding of the Calvinist position.

You accuse others here of dishonesty, and I can't help but wonder about the three fingers on your pointing hand that point back at you when you make that accusation....

287 posted on 03/17/2003 5:09:44 AM PST by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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To: nobdysfool
Saying that God makes man sin is like saying that because you allowed your teenage son to drive the car, and he has an accident, that you caused him to wreck the car; or, because you allowed your daughter to go out on a date, and she has sex and gets pregnant, that you caused her pregnancy.

And you know the response I get back from the Calvinists here?

Could I have stopped the wreck? After all, I could've prevented him from driving the car, couldn't I?

So I must've wanted him to have the wreck and must've wanted the daughter to get pregnant.

Right?

291 posted on 03/17/2003 6:23:41 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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