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Know What You Should Do at Mass and Why [barf alert---Freep this pastor!]
Church of the Holy Family bulletin, Diocese of Richmond ^ | Fr. Tom Quinlan

Posted on 01/23/2003 11:51:59 AM PST by Polycarp

Know What You Should Do at Mass and Why

Many parishes have a Miss Manners section which is O.K., but what we need is a Miss Know-Why-You’re-Doing-What-You-Should-Do at Mass, because of the theology it signifies. It is not a local whim!

1. Everyone in this parish should receive a piece of the consecrated Bread, and drink from the common cup. Jesus (not the Church) instituted the Mass in ratione coenae (in the nature of a meal), not in the form of a snack. Nine hundred years of host ("What’s that?" Jesus would say.) history does not excuse us from the twofold facet of communing as Jesus intended and the Bible handed on.

2. People who enter the building, which their presence in Faith will make into a church, should reach into the Baptismal Font and bless themselves, educating their children to do the same. This applies to the innumerable latecomers. Incidentally, if you are ten minutes late (look at your watch in the parking lot), go to another Mass. Missing the three Bible readings manifests your misunderstanding of what Mass is: Word and Meal.

3. Do not leave early. The priest should always be the first one out of the church. If you have prescheduled appointments, reschedule your Mass. Last week I confronted three people leaving early. And one of them, to add insult to injury, had blessed herself on the way out–a meaningless, pietistic gesture.

4. Do not bring any games, toys, Cheerios, etc., to the church building. Little children belong in the nursery, and younger children at the Liturgy of the Word. If you have uncontrollable children, consult psychiatrist listings, or arrange with your life-sharing spouse to go to separate Liturgies until control is restored in the family (which is usually the problem). There are a few exceptions–autistic children, et similia, who are more than welcome.

5. When the cantor introduces the service, answer the "Good Morning" or "Good Evening". That’s the cue to stop conversation. In our parish, the older people seem to be the chief offenders. When the cantor leads the singing, or the lector is reading, they are presiding at that part of the Mass. Look at them and pay attention to them. The overall presider is the presbyter (Priest), but not the only one. Notice that when the cantor is leading the Hallelujah how the priest turns and faces him/her, an acknowledgement of presidency.

6. When there is a lull, it is not a signal to start chattering. I have noticed it before the first reading, at the presentation of gifts, and even during Holy Communion! However, the chattering, laughing, howling, and conversation before the cantor signals the beginning of the service is highly encouraged.

7. When it is time to sing, everyone sing. When it is time to be silent, everyone should be quiet. The Mass has ups and downs built into it. You should have ups and downs in your moods, singing, and actions.

8. Do not be a hostgrabber. Put both hands out for the Eucharistic minister (ordained or not) to place in your hand. Say "amen" loudly so all around you can hear. Look at the Body and Blood as you receive it.n No looking at the priest, or closing your eyes, and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions. You blessed yourself in the Baptismal Font at the beginning of Mass, and before the opening Prayer–that's enough.

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1 posted on 01/23/2003 11:51:59 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
Do not be a hostgrabber. Put both hands out for the Eucharistic minister (ordained or not) to place in your hand. Say "amen" loudly so all around you can hear. Look at the Body and Blood as you receive it.n No looking at the priest, or closing your eyes, and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions. You blessed yourself in the Baptismal Font at the beginning of Mass, and before the opening Prayer–that's enough.

I need to increase my blood pressure meds ping!

2 posted on 01/23/2003 11:53:20 AM PST by Polycarp (Satan's Trifecta: 1)Contraception/sterilization, 2)Abortion/Euthanasia, 3)Homosexuality)
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3 posted on 01/23/2003 11:56:33 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Polycarp
Did you get this parody from the Onion?
4 posted on 01/23/2003 12:03:42 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Polycarp
4. Do not bring any games, toys, Cheerios, etc., to the church building. Little children belong in the nursery, and younger children at the Liturgy of the Word. If you have uncontrollable children, consult psychiatrist listings, or arrange with your life-sharing spouse to go to separate Liturgies until control is restored in the family (which is usually the problem). There are a few exceptions–autistic children, et similia, who are more than welcome.

Huh? Consult a psychiatrist?! Sorry ... I'll keep bringing Cheerios.

8. Do not be a hostgrabber. Put both hands out for the Eucharistic minister (ordained or not) to place in your hand. Say "amen" loudly so all around you can hear. Look at the Body and Blood as you receive it.n No looking at the priest, or closing your eyes, and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions. You blessed yourself in the Baptismal Font at the beginning of Mass, and before the opening Prayer–that's enough.

So all can hear? "Let not your right hand know what the other is doing." Sign of the Cross and genuflecting meaningless? Whatever.

Wow ... this priest needs a swift "get-off-your-high-horse" kick in the arse.

FWIW ... I'll agree with him on the others.

5 posted on 01/23/2003 12:07:48 PM PST by al_c
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To: Polycarp
actually, I pretty much agreed with everything EXCEPT #8. All the other stuff should be in every bulletin every week.

Manners at Mass today are horrible and irreverent.

#8 was a biggee, tho. I receive on the tongue and highly recommend all my CCD students do also. A bow of reverence before receiving and making the sign of the cross after receiving is my preference and I'm not gonna change it (unless the Pope tells me I must).
6 posted on 01/23/2003 12:08:06 PM PST by MudPuppy (Patriot's Rally and March For Life - Pro Gun and Pro Life. What's the question?)
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To: Polycarp
The last point, I agree, is not well said, but I liked everything else he said. There IS often excessive talking in church, and there are always people who leave church right after communion, which is disruptive and disrespectful. This has slowed somewhat since the Bishops re-stated the proper postures, gestures, etc at mass back during Advent.

We have a crying room for children who are crying -- it should be used. (and people who come late for mass or sit in the crying room so they can sneak out shouldn't give us harried moms dirty looks because our 1 year old is making noise IN the crying room).

EWTN's website said that it is wholly unnecessary to cross yourself after receiving the Eucharist, because you have received the ultimate blessing, the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is a hard habit to get out of, but their explanation made a lot of sense to me and I have been trying to refrain. With regards to genuflecting, etc ... the re-iteration from the Bishops was to deeply bow prior to receiving Communion, but people who choose to kneel are fine (as long as it doesn't create a hazard). Personally, I miss the communion rails, but a deep bow is appropriate, I believe.

People have become lazy during Mass. It's as if they go because they have to, and cut corners when they can. If this priest is having problems in his parish, I commend him for addressing them. I wish our parish priest had addressed some of the problems that were, thank the Lord, fixed after the Bishop's meeting (mostly that had to do with EMs).

Just my opinion ....

7 posted on 01/23/2003 12:14:36 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Polycarp
Most Reverend Bishop Walter Francis Sullivan, Eleventh Bishop of Richmond

Bishop Sullivan is a national leader of the religious community's involvement in the work of justice and peace. He is the Bishop-President of Pax Christi USA, the national Catholic peace movement.

Bishop Sullivan serves on the boards of Christian Children's Fund based in Richmond; the Churches' Center for Theology and Public Policy in Washington, D.C.; the Virginia Interfaith Center for Public Policy; the Catholic Committee of Appalachia; and numerous diocesan boards. He has been on the board of the National Catholic Office for Persons with Disabilities and on the Administrative Board of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Bishop's Coat of Arms: The coat of arms of Bishop Sullivan contains the lions and the stag from the Sullivan coat of arms of Ireland, but is differenced to make the coat of arms personal. The Trefoil between the Sullivan lions is taken from the coat of arms of Bishop Russell, whom Bishop Sullivan assisted as Auxiliary. The group of trees identifies the Vanderloo family of the Bishop's Mother. The dexter implement contains the arms of the See.

Motto: "To Unite All in Christ". The motto is derived from the prayer of Jesus Christ for unity at the Last Supper: "That all may be one, even as thou, Father, in me and I in thee; that they may also be one in us, that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:21).

Bishop Sullivan's e-mail can be found here

Well, at least he doesn't own poodles.

8 posted on 01/23/2003 12:20:01 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Polycarp
Un-be@#$%ing believable.

1. Everyone in this parish should receive a piece of the consecrated Bread, and drink from the common cup. Jesus (not the Church) instituted the Mass in ratione coenae (in the nature of a meal), not in the form of a snack. Nine hundred years of host ("What’s that?" Jesus would say.) history does not excuse us from the twofold facet of communing as Jesus intended and the Bible handed on.

Is this guy kidding? Everyone? Everyone who's been to Confession. Come on, we all know the rules.

2. People who enter the building, which their presence in Faith will make into a church, should reach into the Baptismal Font and bless themselves, educating their children to do the same. This applies to the innumerable latecomers. Incidentally, if you are ten minutes late (look at your watch in the parking lot), go to another Mass. Missing the three Bible readings manifests your misunderstanding of what Mass is: Word and Meal.

Or Liturgy of the Word and Liturgy of the Eucharist. And sometimes being late ain't our fault. If the Gloria is sung, we won't miss any readings by being ten minutes late anyway.

3. Do not leave early. The priest should always be the first one out of the church. If you have prescheduled appointments, reschedule your Mass. Last week I confronted three people leaving early. And one of them, to add insult to injury, had blessed herself on the way out–a meaningless, pietistic gesture.

It's called the Sign of the Cross, you moron, and it's timeless. Every now and then, something happens at Mass that's not previously announced (like 34 Candidates for Confirmation signing their contracts) which makes some of us late for work. Therefore, we have to leave early and go to another Mass because we know we didn't fulfill our Sunday obligation.

4. Do not bring any games, toys, Cheerios, etc., to the church building. Little children belong in the nursery, and younger children at the Liturgy of the Word. If you have uncontrollable children, consult psychiatrist listings, or arrange with your life-sharing spouse to go to separate Liturgies until control is restored in the family (which is usually the problem). There are a few exceptions–autistic children, et similia, who are more than welcome.

Okay, I have some sympathy here, but you could use a little TACT in talking about young children who are full of energy.

5. When the cantor introduces the service, answer the "Good Morning" or "Good Evening". That’s the cue to stop conversation. In our parish, the older people seem to be the chief offenders. When the cantor leads the singing, or the lector is reading, they are presiding at that part of the Mass. Look at them and pay attention to them. The overall presider is the presbyter (Priest), but not the only one. Notice that when the cantor is leading the Hallelujah how the priest turns and faces him/her, an acknowledgement of presidency.

Hallelujah? That's number 44 in Handel's "Messiah". The Gospel Acclaimation is "Alleluia". Three of them. And, please, read the literature on the role of the cantor. No where does it say ANYTHING about a cantor presiding. The attention is appreciated and screaming children are just a bit distracting.

Skpping 6.

7. When it is time to sing, everyone sing. When it is time to be silent, everyone should be quiet. The Mass has ups and downs built into it. You should have ups and downs in your moods, singing, and actions.

If you don't want to sing, don't.

8. Do not be a hostgrabber. Put both hands out for the Eucharistic minister (ordained or not) to place in your hand. Say "amen" loudly so all around you can hear. Look at the Body and Blood as you receive it.n No looking at the priest, or closing your eyes, and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions. You blessed yourself in the Baptismal Font at the beginning of Mass, and before the opening Prayer–that's enough.

Look, dude, you're way out of line here. None of this is meaningless, and if you think so, you shouldn't be a priest.

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. Writing a more appropriate letter now.
9 posted on 01/23/2003 12:23:22 PM PST by Desdemona (Warm thoughts from the deep freeze (1 degree this morning). Pitchers and Catchers report in 22 days)
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To: Polycarp
I lived for a number of years in Norfolk, Va. I used to (sort of) know Fr. Quinlan. He was a nut, the sort of priest who turned the Mass into a circus. He was a pioneer in the use of bizarrely coloured vestments, inane felt-banner decorations, bad music with semi-pelagian lyrics, ad-libbing the Order of the Mass, etc. In many ways, he was one of the creators of the very sort of irreverent mess that he now decries. I've rather lost touch with him. He may, in his old age, seen the errors of his youth; he may be trying to correct them. While I cannot 100% endorse what he says, here, I strongly agree with the general thrust of it. Congregational behaviour in the Dreadful Diocese of Richmond is generally very irreverent. Priestly behaviour, though, isn't much better. The people have learnt from their leadership. The whole Diocese needs to be cleansed.


OBTW, the DDR has a serious 'priest shortage'. Gee, I wonder: "Why"?

10 posted on 01/23/2003 12:25:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Gophack
EMs

*ahem* EEMs :-)

11 posted on 01/23/2003 12:25:34 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Polycarp
Perhaps this parish priest could make use of this book by James Aiken:

As described:

Using the church's official sources, James Akin explains the do's and don'ts of Catholic worship clearly and concisely in Mass Confusion. Thousands of parishioners and their priests find this book invaluable. This book distill answers form a mountain of liturgical documents and silences personal misrepresentations of the Church's liturgical law.
"Mass Confusion" is available at the catholic.com bookstore
12 posted on 01/23/2003 12:30:56 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: Polycarp
From #6: However, the chattering, laughing, howling, and conversation before the cantor signals the beginning of the service is highly encouraged.

Wow. Missed that on the first go-round. Kooky Quinlan hasn't learnt a thing. It's called "Reverence", Father. It applies any time you're in Church, before the Blessed Sacrament.

I wonder where the Tabernacle is hidden. It certainly isn't behind the Altar, where it belongs. That's reserved for his highness' throne.

Not the ugliest Sanctuary I've ever seen, but close.

13 posted on 01/23/2003 12:33:07 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
That's a sanctuary? Looks closer to a Medium's parlor.
14 posted on 01/23/2003 12:34:26 PM PST by Desdemona (Warm thoughts from the deep freeze (1 degree this morning). Pitchers and Catchers report in 22 days)
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To: Polycarp
From #2

Missing the three Bible readings manifests your misunderstanding of what Mass is: Word and Meal.

Fr. Quinlan, have you ever heard the term "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass"?

15 posted on 01/23/2003 12:40:01 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Didn't think so.)
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To: Desdemona
Like I said, he was a nut when I knew him. Most of the newer (post 1970s) churches in the DDR look something like that. Plug ugly.
16 posted on 01/23/2003 12:45:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Desdemona
<> Speaking of spring Training, don't you miss the good old days when the Yankee Pitchers used to trade wives and families? It was so much more interestiung back then.

Fritz Peterson, "Mike, I will trade you my wife Marilyn and my kids for your wife Susanne and your kids."

Mike Kekich, "Ok, Fritz. You can have my wife Susanne and my damn kids and I will take your wife Marilyn and your kids - just as long as you toss in a case of "Red Man Chewing Tobacco."

And the "deal" was, um, consummated and Bowie Kuhn did enter a grand funk as the glorious spring was railroaded...<>

17 posted on 01/23/2003 12:49:02 PM PST by Catholicguy (That was the oddest "pitch" that Spring.)
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To: Desdemona
Medium's parlor.

Rofl
18 posted on 01/23/2003 12:57:19 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: B Knotts
Thank you!

Actually reading the article again I think it's a joke, especially the hooting and hollering before mass, or maybe he was being fastecious (I can't spell today, pregnancy hormones).

Still, many of the points are valid. I have a toddler who can't sit still for Mass, and when I take him to the crying room, I'm constantly chasing and shhhing him. Because child care is hit or miss in our parish, we decided to simply go to Mass at different times. My husband usually takes our older kids to an earlier mass, and I go later, so one of us stays home with the 20 month old.

There are some well-behaved young, young children at Mass, but I don't think you can expect kids under 3, and some under 5, to sit still and quietly for an hour. Our oldest is the exception -- she would sit on my lap or color quietly from age 2 on, but my second would fidget (and still does at age 6!) and we didn't bring her regularly until she was 4. I think our youngest is the same way!

Anyway, just my observation. I am glad that the bishop's are attempting to straighten things out, and they seemed to address some of the problems with laziness on the part of the priests as well and the EEMs :-)

God bless!

19 posted on 01/23/2003 12:59:20 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Polycarp
And one of them, to add insult to injury, had blessed herself on the way out–a meaningless, pietistic gesture.

...and certainly not making the sign of the Cross, genuflecting, or other meaningless actions.

Another Catholic almost stumbling and falling into Biblical truth.

20 posted on 01/23/2003 1:04:22 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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