Moon IS a presbyterian versus Moon WAS a presbyterian.
The question is where they launched from into their personal little heresies.
Moon, Mary Baker Eddy, and Russel all launched from calvinist roots.
From Moon: the Destiny of Restoration Acts 3:13-24 ...there may be many people who come to church on Sundays as a matter of course, through habit or as an established custom, thinking that because this is Sunday, they should come to the Father's temple and attend a service. You must understand that this place in which you are sitting should not be taken so lightly. This gathering materialized through some unknown background connection of which you are not aware. From the viewpoint of your individual being, as the center, your position and connection relate with the front and the rear and the left and the right. It is also a connection related to above and below. You must deeply remember this. ..... The Background of Jesus' Coming and the Result of the Chosen People's Disbelief The fact of the emergence of the one person Jesus within history was not a chance accident. It was the result of the predetermined will of the heavenly principles. That is, Jesus came to materialize the connections of history, the current age of that time, and the future.
Destiny is a stronger force than is choice. See the following from Moon's writings.
Where will Unification Church members go? Where will you go? The many colors of one's own bag of fate is all personal fate, but if you belong to the Unification Church then you have to go the way of the fate of the Unification Church. Is that right or wrong? [It's right] Come on, you all, it's wrong. Is that really right? [Yes] OK, then let's talk about how it is really right. It is right. It will be clear after listening to the following. The way of destiny of the Unification Church is different than the individual way of destiny that you carry in your bag. But you can't say, "Since I'm wearing blue glasses Unification Church members have to wear blue glasses." Many religions exist in order for individuals to get into heaven and to receive blessings. The way of destiny of the Unification Church is different. It's not a way of receiving blessings; it's a way of receiving punishment. What can we do about it; it's destiny. Do you understand? We'd like to receive blessings and go on our way, but the destiny is to receive punishment. What can we do about it? So, what are you tied to? Are you tied to the way of your own destiny, or tied to the way of destiny of the Unification Church? [The way of destiny of the Unification Church] The way of destiny of the Unification Church. Are the minutes tied to the hour or are the hours tied to the minutes? To the minutes? [the hour] I guess you know it. Also, are the hours tied to the day or the day tied to the hours? The hours are tied to the day. Also are the days tied to the month or the month tied to the days? [The days are tied to the month] I guess you know it after all. It is that way. (120-25 2)
What this shows is the buddhist quality of Moon's belief system. Destiny or karma or fate is a force that overcomes all.
1. The Will of God God's Will came before me. God is the beginning of the Will, content of the Will and purpose of the Will. * * * The Will is the basis of all our happiness, our pride, our authority and our knowledge. Man may live and die in vain, but the Will can never perish. It must reach fruition and be consummated without fail. * * * I never yield even an inch for the Will. To accomplish the Will I do not avoid the path of sacrifice, no matter what sacrifice may have to be made. * * * We should not be satisfied with today if we have not completed the path which we should go. Instead, let us pioneer a new history with a greater will that can enable us to cut off any worldly attachment.
Destiny is so much a part of moonism that one must ask how Moon can even talk of "free will." It's this. Buddhist karma allows a sense of "free will" within the notion of unavoidable destiny.
Moon is no christian....no arminian...no calvinist. He is very, very Korean.
EVERYBODY got launched from some kinda root!
So what?A
Moon IS a presbyterian versus Moon WAS a presbyterian."
xzins quoted in post #599:
"BTW, Sun Myung Moon was also Presbyterian."
xzins quoted in post #657:
Moon IS a presbyterian versus Moon WAS a presbyterian.
Do you blame Eck for being confused? LOL!
Actually, the TRUTH of the matter is that the Presbyterian Church which Moon was a member of EXCOMMUNICATED him WELL BEFORE he began his Unification Church.
Now, before you attempt to equate Moon being forced out of his church to Smith being forced out of his church, I must note that Moon was EXCOMMUNICATED -something which any good Presbyterian/Reformed church would do, while Smith was simply asked to leave.
More importantly, Moon also abandoned his Calvinism in exchange for his Arminianism as is evidenced by the quotes from the Unification Church's OFFICIAL website.
Smith NEVER abandoned his Arminianism and the Mormon cult continues to be ARMINIAN in their soteriology.
Which brings me to an interesting observation:
Of the Major Pseudo-Christian Cults...
The Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Science
Armstrongism (World Wide Church of God and its derivatives)
The Unification Church
Seventh Day Adventist
...they all share one thing in common: They are ARMINIAN in their soteriology through and through!
Now, if TULIP ~IS~ wrong and Arminius had it correct, then it is fascinating to note that ALL these Pagans were able to "see the truth" regarding the correct soteriology taught by the Scriptures, but NOT ONE of the REFORMERS of the PROTESTANT REFORMATION was able to get it correct.
For ALL the REFORMERS of the PROTESTANT REFORMATION were Calvinistic in their soteriology!
"Moon, Mary Baker Eddy, and Russel all launched from calvinist roots. "
That they were "raised" by parents who were in attendence of a Reformed congregation is FAR OVERSHADOWED by the fact that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL you mentioned ACTIVELY REJECTED Calvinism BEFORE (or on the road to) their heretical Theology!
Jean
So did Wesley.
And I like your horizontal and vertical fate distinctions, Jean. Remember, the psycho-babble Luciferian Jung also believed in synchronicity.