To: Diago; narses; Loyalist; BlackElk; american colleen; saradippity; Polycarp; Dajjal; ...
This article is a little bit long and difficult, but your effort will be greatly rewarded. This is the best single-article description of the Natural Law debate that I have seen. J. Budziszewski is a genius, and he has the ability to make complex arguments simple to understand.
A first glance these issues may seem abstract, but as the author points out so well, they have concrete applications to every single one of the moral issues which are troubling our society.
To: Maximilian
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3 posted on
01/10/2003 7:55:07 AM PST by
Notwithstanding
(America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 35,000,000 Slaughtered)
To: Maximilian
Interesting article. I think that Catholics (at least those who have not had their brains turned to mush by AmChurch) will make a significant intellectual contribution in the near future through a restoration of Thomism and its associated concepts. Neo-neo-Thomism?
6 posted on
01/10/2003 9:03:55 AM PST by
livius
To: dansangel
PING
7 posted on
01/10/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by
.45MAN
(Less Law more Justice)
To: Maximilian
read later
To: Maximilian
Ditto. Thanks for posting and pinging.
Someone needs to create a libertarian list and ping them on this stuff...may knock some sense into them.
To: Maximilian
When St. Thomas Aquinas used the phrase natural law back in the thirteenth century, he meant that the law is natural because it is grounded in the design by which God made the universe. Yes, of course, certain moral truths are self-evident and we cant not know them, but the important thing is that they are self-evident truths about the order of creation. Thats why St. Thomas doesnt just call our natural inclinations good but defines goodness in terms of inclinations. Good, he says, is that which all things seek after. And also that each thing has its proper good, end or purpose. Fish have to swim and birds have to fly. It's as simple and commonsensical as that.
This is the sort of reasoning that George, Finnis, and Grisez reject. They agree with the Enlightenment rebuke that the old natural law theory commits the naturalist fallacy, which means trying to derive a moral conclusion from a factual premisein Thomass case, X fulfills nature, so X is good. We must rather assert that although some truths are self-evident, they are self-evident for a different reason than St. Thomas thought. It isnt because they are built into nature for the reasoning mind to reflect, but because they are built into the reasoning mind itself. Self-evidence lies not in the way the world is put together, but in the way the mind is put together.
This way leads to relativism.
Of course, making good on this claim requires an understanding of nature in which the properties of things are not simple but dispositionalwhich is a technical way of saying that you have to view each thing in the universe as though it were an arrow directed naturally to a goal. Thats what St. Thomas thought. The nature of a thing, he said, is a purpose, implanted by the Divine Art, that it be moved to a determinate end. And, regardless of philosophy, its the way we all naturally tend to think of things.
Good philosophy conforms with common sense and experience.
On the other hand, some believers say that since we have the Bible to tell us what to do, we dont need a natural law. In fact, maybe there isnt any. The Old Testament doesnt even mention nature.
Not literally. But the idea is laid out explicitly in Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 30 1 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
Good article.
To: Maximilian
Po-Mo-Tho bump
26 posted on
01/10/2003 8:49:48 PM PST by
Dajjal
(really, that should be Po-Po-No-Tho, since we're now in "After")
To: Maximilian
Thanks for posting this. Just to tie it in with the other threads, the claim that the natural law is changeable has been a common assertion of the new theology. Charles Curran made this claim, teaching that the natural law and moral rules were in continual evolution. Cardinal Suenens made a similar point when he stated that "a healthy evolution" had removed certain taboos in the relations between men and women. Some of this thinking has permeated the seminaries for a long time now, which explains in part some of the moral rot. In other theological circles the ontological basis for the Natural Law itself has been fiercely attacked.
To: Maximilian
Thank you. An important post. While the most general contours of natural law may be "self evident," the particulars aren't all that clear, hence the centuries of disucussion of this important concept. Glad to hear it's back on the front burner of at least some moral philosophers. Generally speaking, though, natural law has few champions amidst the prevailing orthodoxies of postmodernism. Too bad.
To: Maximilian
What a pleasure to come across this thread. Thanks for the flag.
29 posted on
01/13/2003 11:40:27 PM PST by
Askel5
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