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Worldwide Church of God: A convert to OT/NT onlyism?
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Posted on 12/01/2002 2:33:40 PM PST by fishtank

Transformed by Christ

A Brief History of the Worldwide Church of God

In the early 1930s, Herbert Armstrong began a radio ministry, a magazine and a church that eventually became "The World Tomorrow," The Plain Truth, and the Worldwide Church of God. He had many unusual doctrines. These he taught so enthusiastically that eventually more than 100,000 people attended weekly services. After he died in 1986, church leaders began to realize that many of his doctrines were not biblical. These doctrines were rejected. Today the church and The Plain Truth are in full agreement with the statement of faith of the National Association of Evangelicals. Here is the story of how the church developed and how it changed.

The New Worldwide Church of God

Jesus Christ changes lives. He can change an organization, too. This is the story of how the Lord changed the Worldwide Church of God from an unorthodox church on the fringes of Christianity, into an evangelical church that believes and teaches orthodox doctrines.

The story involves both pain and joy. Thousands of members left the church. Income is less than one fourth of what it once was. But thousands of members are rejoicing with renewed zeal for their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Chapter One: A Brief History of Our Growth

The story begins in Oregon, in the 1920s. Herbert Armstrong, a newspaper advertising designer, accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He described it in his autobiography:

"Jesus Christ had bought and paid for my life by His death. It really belonged to Him, and now I told Him He could have it! From then on, this defeated no-good life of mine was God's. I didn't see how it could be worth anything to Him. But it was His to use as His instrument, if He thought He could use it....

"In surrendering to God in complete repentance, I found unspeakable joy in accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior and my present High Priest.... Somehow I began to realize a new fellowship and friendship had come into my life. I began to be conscious of a contact and fellowship with Christ, and with God the Father.

"When I read and studied the Bible, God was talking to me, and now I loved to listen! I began to pray, and knew that in prayer I was talking with God. I was not yet very well acquainted with God. But one gets to be better acquainted with another by constant contact and continuous conversation. So I continued in the study of the Bible. I began to write, in article form, the things I was learning."

As Herbert Armstrong studied the Bible, he came to a number of unusual conclusions. Eventually, he began to preach and to lead small congregations of believers. In the early 1930s, he started a radio program and a small magazine.

Armstrong often focused on areas in which his conclusions were different from traditional doctrines. This aroused interest. He emphasized the unusual, the never-before-understood. With advertising flair, he created interest in various doctrines by teaching things that other preachers did not.

Most people did not accept his unusual views, but he persuaded a few people that traditional churches were wrong, and that he had the truth. This small group supported the radio ministry (called The World Tomorrow) and the magazine (called The Plain Truth). Finances were always tight, but the ministry gradually grew along the Pacific Coast of the United States.

Move to Pasadena, California

In 1947, Herbert Armstrong moved his ministry to southern California, so that he could have better access to the radio industry. He also began a small school to train leaders for the church -- Ambassador College, in Pasadena. Finances continued to be very tight, but the ministry continued to grow as time was purchased on more and more radio stations.

Since the message went out by radio throughout North America, the people who responded to the message were scattered throughout the United States and Canada. Young graduates of Ambassador College were then sent to various cities to gather the believers into small churches.

The church grew rapidly in the 1950s and 1960s. The radio program was sent to England, Australia, the Philippines, Latin America, and Africa. Church offices were opened in numerous nations around the world. The name of the church was changed from "Radio Church of God" to "Worldwide Church of God."

But growth began to slow in the 1970s. Christ did not return in 1975, as many ministers had speculated. Minor doctrines were changed, weakening some members' respect for Armstrong's doctrinal authority. Armstrong's son, widely considered to be an heir apparent, was accused of improprieties, and he eventually left with a few thousand other members to form the Church of God International.

Another article about Herbert Armstrong For photos of Herbert Armstrong, see Transformed by Truth

Nevertheless, many people continued to be attracted to Herbert Armstrong's style and teachings, and the church continued to grow slowly until Armstrong died in 1986 at the age of 93. He left a denomination that numbered 120,000 people in attendance every week. Annual income was 200 million dollars. Plain Truth circulation was in the millions every month, and the television program was one of the top two religious programs in America.

Unorthodox doctrines

As the Worldwide Church of God criticized traditional Christianity, it also attracted criticism. Many people considered Herbert Armstrong to be the leader of a heretical cult. Today, the leaders of the Worldwide Church of God reject Armstrong's doctrinal errors, but we do not hide our past. Rather, we acknowledge that our errors were deep and serious, but that Christ has rescued us from them.

In some ways, we were like Saul of Tarsus, who zealously persecuted Christians. He was confronted by Christ, transformed, and given a new mission. Although he began to preach about Jesus right away, his most significant work did not come until more than ten years later, when he became Paul, the missionary apostle.

We hope that we are also used by Christ to proclaim his gospel worldwide. But that is getting ahead of the story. In order to understand the Worldwide Church of God today, it is helpful to see how we started. We turn our attention now to the doctrinal mix that made Armstrong both interesting and unorthodox.

Three doctrines were instrumental in Armstrong's conversion: 1) That God is the Creator, 2) That the Bible is true, and 3) That the Bible does not change the Sabbath to Sunday. Armstrong was guided to this third doctrine by a member of the Church of God (Seventh Day), a small group that has some similarities to the Seventh-day Adventists.

Armstrong was eager to obey God, and he saw in Scripture that God commanded his people to keep the seventh day as a Sabbath. Although most Christians do not keep the seventh day, no one was able to prove to Armstrong that God ever authorized his people to change or ignore this commandment. Armstrong felt that he had to choose between Bible and tradition, and he chose the Bible. However, he had no seminary training, nor any disciplined study of church history, biblical interpretation, or the original languages of Scripture.

He reasoned that if traditional Christianity could be wrong about such a major topic, perhaps they were wrong on other things, too. Armstrong became skeptical of all Christian tradition and he studied everything from scratch. He could not find biblical proof for many traditional doctrines. This bias against traditional orthodoxy became part of the WCG culture, and it was an advertising hook that captured many people's interest.

Armstrong had a high respect for Scripture. If the Bible said it, he was willing to do it, no matter how difficult it might be. His zeal is commendable -- and his respect for Scripture made his message more believable. "Don't believe me," he often said, "believe the Bible. Blow the dust off your own Bible, and read what it says." Many people were surprised at what they found.

Armstrong believed that Jesus is God, but he usually gave much more emphasis to God the Father. That is because some churches focused so much on Jesus that they offered "cheap grace" (as Dietrich Bonhoeffer later called it). Armstrong emphasized God's role as Lawgiver, as One who is to be obeyed.

Armstrong accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, a substitutionary sacrifice for our sins, as divine. But he did not have the theological training to know how to reconcile the biblical data that Jesus is God and the Father is God and yet there is only one God. He mistakenly taught that God is a family, and that the Father and the Son are two beings in that family, and that when humans are resurrected, they will be born again as members of the God Family.

Armstrong did not see biblical proof that the Holy Spirit was a distinct person, so he taught that the Holy Spirit was an impersonal force. In this, his teaching was similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses, but there is no evidence that he obtained his doctrine from them. This anti-trinitarian view had circulated in several groups.

Armstrong preached that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but he also stressed the necessity of obeying God. An emphasis on law-keeping formed another major component of WCG culture.

Armstrong believed that if a person loves God, the person will obey God's commands. If a person does not keep the Sabbath, Armstrong concluded, then that person must not love God. Unfortunately, he viewed the Sabbath as the ``test commandment'' — in effect, a requirement for being considered a true Christian. Other churches were false churches, children of the devil.

In addition to the weekly Sabbath, the WCG observed seven annual Sabbaths, based on Leviticus 23. WCG members also avoided pork, shrimp and certain other meats (Lev. 11). They gave one tithe to support the ministry, used another to keep the annual Sabbaths, and in some years gave a third tithe to the church for its poor members. The financial requirements were high, but they also increased the levels of commitment. Where a person's treasure is, there the heart will be also. Members of the WCG had their hearts in the church and its work.

Armstrong taught that repentance involves a change in behavior, that Christianity involves a way of life. In the WCG, this focused primarily on prohibitions. WCG members were not allowed to vote, serve in the military, marry after divorce, go to doctors, use cosmetics, or observe Christmas, Easter and birthdays. All this emphasis on rules, however, meant that grace was rarely mentioned. Many members became legalistic in their own relationship with God, and judgmental of other Christians.

Armstrong viewed himself as God's apostle, leading the one true church. Armstrong had supreme doctrinal authority. If anyone was disloyal, that person would most likely be fired and expelled from the church fellowship. (Legally, Armstrong was under the authority of a board of directors, but they always supported his decisions.)

Armstrong also had many unusual ideas about prophecy, and these may have been the most attractive doctrines of all. He taught that the United States and Britain are modern descendants of the northern ten tribes of Israel, and that therefore many biblical prophecies apply to the Anglo-Saxon peoples. He saw himself as an end-time fulfillment of prophecy, with a message of warning for the "Israelite" peoples.

The Great Tribulation would soon start, he warned in the 1930s, in the 1940s, in the 1950s, in the 1960s, in the 1970s, and in the 1980s — but the good news is that Christ will soon return and rule for 1,000 years. In fact, the millennium was so important to Armstrong that it became the center of the gospel. It was the reason the radio and television broadcasts were titled ``The World Tomorrow.'' The millennium was the good news.

Obviously, there are a lot of doctrinal errors in this list. Equally obviously, we would not describe them as errors unless we had understood why they were in error. We have worked hard to inform our own members about where we went wrong --- and we say "we" with all honesty, for all the current leaders of the church once believed and taught these erroneous doctrines. We have all criticized other Christians as false, deceived, children of the devil.

We have much to apologize for. We are profoundly sorry that we persecuted Christians and created dissention and disunity in the body of Christ. We seek forgiveness and reconciliation.

Chapter Two: A Decade of Painful Change

Much of our doctrinal foundation was faulty. And yet part of it was true. Some of our members came from other denominations, but others were unchurched people who had little previous exposure to Christianity. Many people came to Christ in the Worldwide Church of God, accepted his death for their sins, and trusted in him for salvation. Many lives were transformed from sin and selfishness, to service and humility. A germ of life continued inside the crust of erroneous doctrines.

After Herbert Armstrong died, that germ of life slowly began to grow, breaking off the crust that had once limited it. It took many years --- and many tears. Here's the story:

Joseph Tkach Sr.

In 1986, shortly before he died, Herbert Armstrong appointed Joseph Tkach (pronounced Ta-cotch) to be his successor. Tkach had been a loyalist who supervised all the ministers. He was more an administrator than the magnetic personality that Armstrong had been. Tkach assigned other people to present the television program and write the articles.

Click here for our current teaching on healing and birthdays.

The church continued to grow slowly. In 1988, Tkach made minor doctrinal changes. He taught members that it was permissible to go to doctors, take medicines, observe birthdays and wear cosmetics. He realized that many of the prophetic speculations that had made the television program and magazine so interesting couldn't actually be proven from Scripture.

Questions also arose about some of the things that Armstrong had written, and some of his books were withdrawn from circulation until further study could resolve the questions. Some members were troubled that the church was no longer teaching the same things that Armstrong had, and in 1989, 3,000 members left to form the Philadelphia Church of God to preserve Armstrong doctrines.

In 1990, the church peaked at 133,000 in weekly attendance. More doctrinal changes were made as Tkach realized that some of Armstrong's unusual beliefs, though sincere, were not biblical. The focus of the gospel is Jesus Christ and grace, not prophecy or the millennium. Budgetary reductions began to affect the television broadcast. More Armstrong literature was discontinued and/or edited.

In 1991, Tkach revised the church's explanation of what it means to be born again, noting also that humans will never become Gods. He also announced a study about the modern identity of the lost ten tribes, and accepted the divinity of the Holy Spirit. Membership, attendance, and income began to decrease slowly.

Click here for our current teaching on born again and the lost ten tribes.

In 1992, income continued to decrease, and a prominent minister and 3,000 members left to form the Global Church of God.

In 1993, the church accepted the doctrine of the Trinity. The church declared that the cross was not a pagan symbol, that it is not a sin to have illustrations of Jesus, and that Christians may vote. Such changes may seem inconsequential to most Christians, but each change was significant for WCG members because each change attacked strongly held beliefs about how we ought to express our devotion to God. Each change had to be explained from the Scriptures and had to explain how previous explanations were not correct.

Click here for our current teaching on the Trinity and the cross.

In 1994, the television program was cancelled and employees were laid off. The church also explained to the members that true Christians can be found in other denominations.

But perhaps the most traumatic change came in December 1994: Tkach announced that Christians do not have to keep old covenant laws such as the weekly and annual Sabbaths, two and three tithes, and avoid pork, shrimp and other meats. In many ways, the Sabbath had been the foundational doctrine of the entire denomination, so this was the biggest change of all. (Click here for the text of the sermon Tkach used to announce these changes, and click here to see a menu of papers analyzing these doctrines.)

Click here for our current teaching on Old Testament laws.

Many members did not accept these changes. After decades of understanding their identity as Christians in terms of Sabbath-keeping, and after making many sacrifices in order to keep the Sabbath, they could not easily accept the idea that it really didn't matter.

In early 1995, hundreds of ministers and 12,000 members left to form the United Church of God. Thousands more stopped attending any church, and many congregations were left with only half the members they used to have. Church income dropped another 50 percent, and hundreds of employees were laid off. Friends and families were split. It was a time of anguish and depression.

Something unexpected also happened: Many members, after struggling to understand the doctrinal change, began to experience a new sense of peace and joy through a renewed faith in Jesus Christ. Their identity was in him, not in the particular laws they kept.

The Sabbath doctrine was changed in order to be more biblical; the result was that members became more spiritual. Members focused more on their relationship with Jesus Christ; they also had an increased interest in worship. Organizationally, this doctrinal change had catastrophic results. But spiritually, it was the best thing that ever happened to the WCG.

Another major change also occurred in 1995: Joseph Tkach Sr. died after a brief battle with cancer. He designated his son, Joe, as his successor, and the board of directors honored this appointment.

A few additional doctrines were changed later in 1995: The church officially rejected the doctrine that the Anglo-Saxons descended from the tribes of Israel, and the church permitted the observance of holidays such as Christmas and Easter.

Joseph Tkach Jr.

It was a tumultuous decade. Now, the Worldwide Church of God is about half the size it used to be. The television ministry, once one of the largest in America, is gone. Circulation of The Plain Truth fell from a peak of 8,000,000 down to less than 100,000. The number of employees in Pasadena fell from 1,000 to about 100. Some pastors were also terminated, and lay pastors were appointed for small congregations.

The church's properties in Pasadena are greatly underutilized and up for sale. Ambassador College/University was forced to close because the church could no longer subsidize it, and its properties have been sold. An era of change is coming to an end.

Evangelical churches have also re-evaluated their stance toward the WCG. One of the first friendly groups was the Haggard School of Theology at Azusa Pacific University. Fuller Theological Seminary also helped. Cult-watching groups such as the Christian Research Institute complimented the church when it accepted the doctrine of the Trinity. In 1995, more evangelicals embraced us as brothers in the faith. We cite the International Church of the Four Square Gospel in particular. We are grateful for these gestures of reconciliation.

In March 1996, Joe Tkach wrote an editorial in The Plain Truth [click here for article] apologizing to members and all who have been hurt by the church's erroneous teachings and practices. He asked for forgiveness and cooperation. In July 1996, Christianity Today published a long article on the Worldwide Church of God --- "From the Fringe to the Fold," by Ruth Tucker (pp. 26-32) [click here for article]. And in 1997, the church was accepted as a member of the National Association of Evangelicals. [click here for press release]

Chapter Three: At a Crossroads

The apostle Paul, after his encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus, immediately began to preach that Jesus is the Son of God (Acts 9:20). But he was not immediately accepted into Christian fellowship. The Christians in Jerusalem were skeptical, and it took a bridge-builder named Barnabas to bring him into the group (verses 26-27). Not long thereafter, Paul was sent away to Tarsus (v. 30).

God had great plans for Paul -- but it took quite a while for those plans to be implemented. Paul spent three years in Arabia, many more years in Tarsus. What he preached and whom he reached, we do not know. But it must have been a time for Paul to clarify his thoughts. He had heard the arguments of the early Christians; he knew well the arguments of the Jews who did not believe. And he was faced with undeniable evidence that Jesus was in fact the Messiah.

Paul had help from his new-found Christian friends. He already knew what they were teaching, and they taught him more, and yet he still had more to think about. Why did the Messiah have to die? Why did the Jews not accept the Messiah God had given them? Where had the Jewish religion led them astray? If one could be right with God under old covenant laws, then why did God have to send his Son to die? Paul had to think about all the implications -- thoughts we would later read in his epistles. It took many years to make a transition from a worship rooted in the Old Testament, to a faith based in the new covenant.

Paul, whom God had chosen to be a missionary to the gentiles, was waiting in the wings for many years. Luke tells us that Paul wasn't even around when the first gentiles came into the church (Acts 10). Paul doesn't enter the picture until after many gentiles had already become part of the church at Antioch (Acts 11:20-26). And it was only after some time in Antioch that Paul actually got around to do the missionary work for which Christ had called him.

There are many similarities between the story of Paul and the story of the Worldwide Church of God. We have roots in the old covenant, and the new has been revealed. We have embraced the new with joy, and there have been Barnabas-like people who have helped reconcile us to other Christians, and who have helped teach us. And yet it is taking us some time to understand our identity and our role in the Christian world.

We do not have any delusions of grandeur, that we will be as great as the apostle Paul. We do not imagine that we will turn the world upside down. We do not think we will transform the church like Paul did. But we do expect God to use us to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. Perhaps there is a niche out there that needs our particular experience. Perhaps God is preparing us for situations that do not yet exist. We do not know, but we remain ready to respond to God's leading.

Why do we exist?

When our foundational doctrines were changed, some people claimed that the Worldwide Church of God should just close its doors and tell all its members to go to authentic Christian churches. Ironically, we heard this not from other Christian churches, but from a few of our own members! They were angry and bitter that the WCG had caused such pain in their lives by teaching erroneous doctrines. They concluded that the WCG had been built on false pretenses and therefore had no right to exist.

We acknowledge that many of our doctrines were erroneous. We acknowledge that the WCG would not exist without those erroneous doctrines. But we do not conclude that Jesus Christ rescued us as a group merely to have us disband. He has bought and paid for this church. It belongs to him, and we have told him that he can have it! If it is of any value to him, he can use it as his instrument, and we are happy to let him lead us. We rejoice in the fellowship we have with him, and we believe that he is already leading us into usefulness.

Due to our shared experiences, we have things we need to learn as a group, and we will not learn these things as well if we disband. We also hope that our shared experiences also give us something to teach.

As a group, we are enjoying a new interest in worship. We are discovering spiritual gifts and lay ministry. We are learning to function in new ways.

Our strengths as a denomination include a high respect for Scripture and a willingness to do what it says. We recognize that Jesus, as our Savior and as our Lord, gives us instructions for our thoughts, words and actions. We know that Christ makes a difference in the way we live. He transforms our lives in this age, as well as giving us eternal life.

We have also stressed prayer and study as important aspects of spiritual growth. Our recent history gives us a concern for grace, and an awareness of legalism.

Of course, the story is not yet over. Jesus is not done with us yet. We are still being shaped and fashioned for his purpose. We praise him and worship him, and seek to know his will for our lives.

Another article about our history

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For further information on the history of the church, you may wish to consult one of the books listed below:

J. Michael Feazell, The Liberation of the Worldwide Church of God. Zondervan, 2001. J. Thomas Lapacka, Out of the Shadows: Finding God's Truth in a World of Deception. Concordia, 2001. Joseph Tkach, Transformed by Truth. Multnomah, 1997 - this book is no longer in print, but is available on our website. Walter Martin, Kingdom of the Cults. Bethany House, 1998. Earlier editions of this book were written before most of our doctrinal changes were made. The 1998 edition has an appendix documenting our transition into orthodoxy. This appendix is available at http://www.wcg.org/wn/98apr/cult.htm. George Mather and Larry Nichol, Rediscovering the Plain Truth. InterVarsity, 1997. Ruth Tucker, "From the Fringe to the Fold: How the Worldwide Church of God Discovered the Plain Truth of the Gospel." Christianity Today, July 15, 1996. This is available at http://www.wcg.org/wn/96aug27/ct.htm


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A great story about how an organization that taught falsehood was changed to the truth by God's grace.

My question: if God can do this, then we should be bold to pray for other groups like the LDS, JWs, etc.

He is a miracle-worker!!!

1 posted on 12/01/2002 2:33:40 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank; Wrigley; restornu
***In 1991, Tkach revised the church's explanation of what it means to be born again, noting also that humans will never become Gods. He also announced a study about the modern identity of the lost ten tribes, and accepted the divinity of the Holy Spirit. ***

Cool. We should pray boldly!
2 posted on 12/01/2002 2:44:59 PM PST by drstevej
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Ditto for Islam.
3 posted on 12/01/2002 2:47:51 PM PST by fishtank
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Finished reading.

What a great story, what a great God we serve.
4 posted on 12/01/2002 2:52:36 PM PST by Wrigley
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What a great story about a church who, when they realized the error of what they had been teaching, had the courage to publicly stand up for the truth of God's Word.

Here's a couple of my favorite quotes from the article:

"Many members, after struggling to understand the doctrinal change, began to experience a new sense of peace and joy through a renewed faith in Jesus Christ. Their identity was in him, not in the particular laws they kept."

"In March 1996, Joe Tkach wrote an editorial in The Plain Truth apologizing to members and all who have been hurt by the church's erroneous teachings and practices. He asked for forgiveness and cooperation."

"We acknowledge that many of our doctrines were erroneous."

Great examples of regeneration, confession and restoration through Jesus Christ! Thanks for posting this!

5 posted on 12/01/2002 4:00:37 PM PST by computerjunkie
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When the change came the WWCG church in our city had a pastor who was not a believer. Several of the families came to Christ at this time and came to our church looking for a church that taught grace. One of the young guys had started taking correspondance courses via the Southern Baptist extension seminary.

It was so exciting to talk with him (2nd generation WWCG) and get his perspective on the changes. Several of these families joined our church and absolutely loved the fellowship and freedom in Christ. He continues to have a ministry to the WWCG folk in that area who are struggling with the changes. He has led many of them to Christ as they see the change in him and hear his testimony.

Praise God. Bring on more!
6 posted on 12/01/2002 4:33:58 PM PST by drstevej
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I really didn't know much about them, other than they were "different". But I do remember hearing about the changes they went through in the mid-90's.

I am impressed with their sincerity in admitting that it really IS a struggle for some of them to come to grips with a radical doctrinal change. But, praise God, He is showing them the joy He brings through a personal relationship with him and through the worship experience.

And how exciting for you to know some of them personally! What a great opportunity you have!

7 posted on 12/01/2002 4:54:30 PM PST by computerjunkie
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To: fishtank
Islam is in a different category. The Antichrist category.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 ¶For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Translations of Qur'anic Verses by Abdullah Yusuf Ali:

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: Yea magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" 17: 111

Further that He may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! 19: 88/89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! 23: 91

He begetteth not nor is He begotten; 112: 3

8 posted on 12/01/2002 6:36:09 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Agreed.
9 posted on 12/02/2002 5:25:50 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank; All
Thanks for this fine article. I’m a 20 year affiliate and an 11 year full member of the WWCG, and find I am still fighting beliefs taught by them after being out over 20 years.

This past weekend my brother was down from Texas. He’s considered him self out of it for almost as long as I have, except he still dabbles in it from time to time and will attend Garner Ted’s services now and then, or will call some of the spin offs and question them as to their belief and then hang up on them or they hang up on him, because they are either too much like Herbert’s Church, or not enough hike it.

Discussing religion with him was difficult, since he has no real belief. All he has are bits and pieces of doctrine and he knows when you say something he doesn’t agree with, but he had no firm beliefs himself.

To our surprise his wife asked if they could go to our church with us Sunday, and I was thrilled, but he sat like a piece of wood through the whole service, with that look of, “I fully disagree, but will keep my mouth shut for now.”

After breakfast we took then to lunch as they were leaving from there, and heading back to Texas, and neither of us mentioned the sermon, but he did remark how friendly everyone was. I remembered the first time I went to a regular Church after I left the WWCG, I thought they were all faking it, and only the members of the WWCG were completely sincere. :-)

I know 6 people besides my self who left that Church, and they are all walking scars and misfits in society. They can't let go of the past, they can’t grasp a new future, and they vacillates back and forth in their own convictions and aren’t happy with any other belief or with their own.

Most of them are socially and spiritually dysfunctional, and seem to believe it’s their oddness that sets them apart as still a godly people.

I felt so sorry for them, but I also realize that if 90% of everyone I knew in that Church is damaged goods, think of all the thousands that I don’t know that are also dysfuntional.

Please pray for them.

JH

10 posted on 12/02/2002 4:55:21 PM PST by JHavard
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Sad yet fascinating testimony. Will pray for your brother!
11 posted on 12/02/2002 5:00:17 PM PST by drstevej
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Thanks for the ping. Sounds like a lot of folks who leave an authoritarian faith group. More in Freepmail.
12 posted on 12/02/2002 6:01:06 PM PST by CARepubGal
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***Sounds like a lot of folks who leave an authoritarian faith group. ***

Absolutely. Normal seems strange after the indoctrination and loyalty mechanisms are gone.
13 posted on 12/02/2002 6:25:33 PM PST by drstevej
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To: fishtank; All
Looks like I'm going to have to be the lightning rod on this thread... :-)

Before I begin let me say that I became a baptized member of United Church of God last January.

United was formed by dozens of ministers from the World Wide Church of God when that organization changed key beliefs. It is the largest of the groups of people that have left WWCG.

Most of the membership, or at least in our local congregation, is made up of former WWCG people.

We hold much but not all of the same doctrine that was taught in the old WWCG.

I do not belong to a "cult". You're free to level that charge (many have) but it won't stick. There is nothing hidden or secret about the organization. Everything you ever wanted to know is available at the link above or at Good News Magazine

With that out of the way let me say that there are a number of inaccuracies in the story. I hope one would recognize that this story is slanted toward the viewpoint of the "new" WorldWide. You'll find a much different assessment from members who belonged to the church before the doctinal changes broke the church apart.

The article subtly implies that all of the doctrine taught was fraudlent seemingly because Armstrong "had no seminary training, nor any disciplined study of church history, biblical interpretation, or the original languages of Scripture". Using this criteria I would venture to guess that none of us on this forum are "qualified" to determine sound doctrine based on scripture.

The article also says Armstrong built his doctrine upon these three points:

Three doctrines were instrumental in Armstrong's conversion: 1) That God is the Creator, 2) That the Bible is true, and 3) That the Bible does not change the Sabbath to Sunday. Armstrong was guided to this third doctrine by a member of the Church of God (Seventh Day), a small group that has some similarities to the Seventh-day Adventists.

Would anyone disagree with points 1 or 2? Doubtful. That leaves point 3 as a point in contention. Notice how the article tries to marginalize the truth of the statement by implying that it came from some other group and not the bible.

Let me challenge anybody here: Without using Christian tradition, prove to me that the bible changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, or barring that, prove to me that God did away with the 7th day sabbath. Or barring that, prove to me that Christ's death did away with the 7th day sabbath.

Thanks...looking forward to the discourse.

14 posted on 12/02/2002 6:54:51 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: fishtank; All
In early 1995, hundreds of ministers and 12,000 members left to form the United Church of God.

Sorry, was a little off in my numbers on the amount of people that left to form United...

15 posted on 12/02/2002 7:02:56 PM PST by DouglasKC
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***I do not belong to a "cult". You're free to level that charge (many have) but it won't stick. There is nothing hidden or secret about the organization.***

The word "occult" means hidden, not "cult." Having the teachings in the open doesn't mean a group can not be a cult.

BTW, I believe the sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. We worship on the Lord's Day, the day of His resurrection - the first day of the week.

HWA's British Israelism was the core of his error. It is similar to LDS Injun Israelism and Gene Scott's Celtic Israelism.
16 posted on 12/02/2002 7:21:09 PM PST by drstevej
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Good points. The sad thing is that abusive churches appear benign on the surface. The damage is horrendous at times.
17 posted on 12/02/2002 7:21:15 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: DouglasKC
FYI
18 posted on 12/02/2002 7:51:23 PM PST by RnMomof7
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I believe the denial of the Trinity puts you there Doug...and also the absorption into the God head
19 posted on 12/02/2002 7:54:37 PM PST by RnMomof7
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The word "occult" means hidden, not "cult." Having the teachings in the open doesn't mean a group can not be a cult.

Thanks. What else qualifies? One man authoritarian rule?

BTW, I believe the sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. We worship on the Lord's Day, the day of His resurrection - the first day of the week.

Thanks. Would you say that you do this due to Christian tradition? If not, can you show me where it says to honor Christ's resurrection by worshipping on Sunday?

Also, I assume that you acknowledge that Armstongs beliefs in all three of these points were correct?:

Three doctrines were instrumental in Armstrong's conversion: 1) That God is the Creator, 2) That the Bible is true, and 3) That the Bible does not change the Sabbath to Sunday.

Also from the article:

Armstrong was eager to obey God, and he saw in Scripture that God commanded his people to keep the seventh day as a Sabbath. Although most Christians do not keep the seventh day, no one was able to prove to Armstrong that God ever authorized his people to change or ignore this commandment.

Can you prove from scripture, not tradition, that Armstrong was wrong about the above?

20 posted on 12/02/2002 8:00:16 PM PST by DouglasKC
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