Posted on 10/14/2002 9:50:58 AM PDT by Loyalist
POPE TO ADD NEW MYSTERIES TO THE ROSARY
VATICAN, Oct 16, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Pope John Paul II will release an apostolic letter on devotion to the Virgin Mary on October 16-- the anniversary of his election to the pontificate-- according to informed Vatican sources.
Leaks from the Vatican, in anticipation of the document's release, suggest that the Pope will introduce five new mysteries to the Rosary. The five new mysteries, the "luminous mysteries," will focus on the public life of Jesus Christ, Vatican sources say. They will be: the Baptism in the Jordan, the temptation in the desert, the proclamation of the Kingdom, the Transfigurations, and the entry into Jerusalem.
The Rosary is a traditional Marian devotion, popularized at first by St. Bernard, later by the Dominican order, and still later by St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort. The Rosary is composed of five joyful mysteries (which are recited on Mondays and Thursdays), five sorrowful mysteries (recited on Tuesdays and Saturdays), and five glorious mysteries (Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.) The five new mysteries would reportedly be used on Saturdays.
posted by Brian Barcaro 10/14/2002 08:31:16 AM
I have several, probably at least a dozen (no exaggeration) Bibles in my house. I've read every book of the Bible and the New Testament several times.
I also have supplemental books on the Bible, History of the Bible, etc.
I believe St. Jerome said that 'ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ.'
Christianity, the Bible, Our God, is full of mysteries. It seems to me that God did that on purpose to see how much we will seek after Him, and the more we seek the more we find. How wonderful is that?
The rosary, and contemplative prayer are such a wonderful way to more deeply understand the mysteries of God.
Alot of people who have not tried the rosary think it is 'vain repetition' but meditating on these mysteries has profoundly deepened my faith. And those of millions, possibly billions of people throughout the centuries.
Quite an awesome God we serve, one who likes to hide and then reveal Himself to us when we come looking.
<> Prove that using the Bible. All you have done so far is witness to your ignorance of scripture AND displayed your bigotry. We are STILL waiting for a citation from the the Bible you claim to be wonkish about that will provide any evidence to support any of your claims of vain reptitions or Mary Worship. All ya got are your unsourced personal opinions - all extraBiblical. <>
Well, now I've heard everything. I can't imagine one's mind being focused on God and it not being considered prayer. What is "prayer," then, according to the biblewonk?
And you belittle our "little words," without contemplating that to the Almighty all of our words are "little." I imagine to Him our best efforts are something like my 16 month old pretending to talk on the phone. It's cute and heartwarming, but it isn't exactly oration.
SD
<. Please cite the Scripture for this claim<>
Polycarp, did you happen to watch Journey Home last night on EWTN? Marcus Grodi's guest was Terry Meade, former Assembly of God minister, raised as an Evangelical since birth.
Terry spoke of his 10 years as a minister and the animosity he held for catholics. One of the more gratifying moments was when he baptized a catholic into the protestant faith, asking him to renounce all of his former teachings.
Terry went on to speak about one of his congregants who loved the divine word so much, that he studied Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic in order to read the gospels in their original language. This same person came to Terry one day and told him that, after reading and studying the bible in its original language, he had understood that the catholic church was indeed the true church of Jesus Christ. Even after his conversion, he continued to remain friends with Terry. They would have lengthy discussions on various bible passages. Eventually, Terry's heart was opened to "the truth" as he phrased it and he spoke with his wife about his decision to convert to the catholic faith. His wife was far more reserved. She advised him that she would accompany him to the RCIA classes but had NO intention of converting to the catholic faith.
This segment of Journey Home will repeat on Saturday @ 11pm. It is most interesting to see church dogma and traditions, that we have accepted all along, through the eyese of someone who once reviled catholics.
Next Monday at 8pm, Marcus Grodi will have as his guest, Rod Bennett, a former Southern Baptist minister and nondenominational missionary.
"People who say Our Lord's Prayer carefully, weighing every word and meditating upon it, may indeed call themselves blessed for they find therein everything that they need or can wish for.
"When we say this wonderful prayer we touch God's heart at the very outset by calling Him by the sweetest name of Father-Our Father. He is the dearest of fathers: all powerful in His creation, wonderful in the way He maintains the world, completelylovable in His Divine Providence,-always good and infinetely so in the Redemption. We have God for our Father, so we are all brothers-and Heaven is our homeland and our heritage. This should be more than enough to teach us to love God and our neighbor and to be detached from the things of this world.
"So we ought to love our Heavenly Father and should say to Him over and over again:
"Our Father Who art in Heaven
Thou Who dost fill heaven and earth
with the immensity of Thy Being
Thou Who art present everywhere-
Thou Who art in the saints
By Thy Glory,
In the damned
By Thy Justice,
In the good
By Thy Grace,
And even in sinners
By the patience
With which Thou dost tolerate them-
Grant we beseech Thee
That we may always remember
That we come from Thee;
Grant that we may live
As Thy true children ought to live-
Grant that we may set our course
Towards Thee
And never swerve-
Grant that we may use
Our every power,
Our hearts and souls and strength
To tend towards Thee
And THEE Alone."
That's an except from 6 pages of the book St. Louis De Montfort uses to break down every sentence of the Our Father and explain and go into depth on.
So you are saying a chant is the same as a hymn?
Your own DR says "do not multiply words as the Gentiles do". I don't know how you get around that because the last time I said the rosary, I was multiplying words -- not adding or subtracting or even dividing but multiplying, you know Hail Mary x 5, etc.
The fact that the heathen [Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, etc] still do this and it bears such a close resemblance to the rosary should give you all pause to think that this is just what Jesus said NOT to do.
For them, Scripture means what the Oral Traditions of the 16th Century heretics say they mean. If that meaning conflicts with the plain words of Scripture, then, Scripture must be cast in the abattoir of eisegesis until it submits to the malign machinations of the Luther, Calvin, Zwingli axis of interpretative terrorists.<>
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