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Pope To Add New Mysteries to the Rosary
Catholic World News (Via Diocese Report) ^ | October 14, 2002 | Staff

Posted on 10/14/2002 9:50:58 AM PDT by Loyalist

POPE TO ADD NEW MYSTERIES TO THE ROSARY

VATICAN, Oct 16, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Pope John Paul II will release an apostolic letter on devotion to the Virgin Mary on October 16-- the anniversary of his election to the pontificate-- according to informed Vatican sources.

Leaks from the Vatican, in anticipation of the document's release, suggest that the Pope will introduce five new mysteries to the Rosary. The five new mysteries, the "luminous mysteries," will focus on the public life of Jesus Christ, Vatican sources say. They will be: the Baptism in the Jordan, the temptation in the desert, the proclamation of the Kingdom, the Transfigurations, and the entry into Jerusalem.

The Rosary is a traditional Marian devotion, popularized at first by St. Bernard, later by the Dominican order, and still later by St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort. The Rosary is composed of five joyful mysteries (which are recited on Mondays and Thursdays), five sorrowful mysteries (recited on Tuesdays and Saturdays), and five glorious mysteries (Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.) The five new mysteries would reportedly be used on Saturdays.

posted by Brian Barcaro 10/14/2002 08:31:16 AM


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; rosary
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To: RnMomof7; MarthaB
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I think there's a problem with your translation. It says: do not rattle on. No vanity or repetition is mentioned. Then it says "They think they will in a hearing by the sheer multiplication of words. Do not imitate them." There is no mention of praying the same prayer.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Every direct translation I've seen says tresspasses, not debts. Perhaps Martha can give us the original word?

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

The last line was added. By whom I don't know.
181 posted on 10/15/2002 7:01:35 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Sure
182 posted on 10/15/2002 7:10:22 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Desdemona
The last line was added. By whom I don't know.

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

I agree those are not Christ's words..
183 posted on 10/15/2002 7:14:24 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Irisshlass
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

I agree those are not Christ's words..

I have an old imprint of the Jerusalem Bible and that line is nowhere in it. I have a 1970 imprint of the New American, and it's nowhere in there. That line is ONLY in the protestant bibles. I don't know some of this stuff came from, but there are a lot of add ons and errors.
184 posted on 10/15/2002 7:17:14 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Well, of course.

I have several, probably at least a dozen (no exaggeration) Bibles in my house. I've read every book of the Bible and the New Testament several times.

I also have supplemental books on the Bible, History of the Bible, etc.

I believe St. Jerome said that 'ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ.'

Christianity, the Bible, Our God, is full of mysteries. It seems to me that God did that on purpose to see how much we will seek after Him, and the more we seek the more we find. How wonderful is that?

The rosary, and contemplative prayer are such a wonderful way to more deeply understand the mysteries of God.

Alot of people who have not tried the rosary think it is 'vain repetition' but meditating on these mysteries has profoundly deepened my faith. And those of millions, possibly billions of people throughout the centuries.

Quite an awesome God we serve, one who likes to hide and then reveal Himself to us when we come looking.

185 posted on 10/15/2002 7:26:40 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: biblewonk
That all by itself would probably not have to be called worship, just doctrinally incorrect. When added as a piece of the whole puzzle it all falls under the category of Mary Worship. Not all RC's worship Mary though, I can say that for sure.

<> Prove that using the Bible. All you have done so far is witness to your ignorance of scripture AND displayed your bigotry. We are STILL waiting for a citation from the the Bible you claim to be wonkish about that will provide any evidence to support any of your claims of vain reptitions or Mary Worship. All ya got are your unsourced personal opinions - all extraBiblical. <>

186 posted on 10/15/2002 7:31:58 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: biblewonk
Not all RC's worship Mary though, I can say that for sure.
<> Not all protestants defend bestiality, I will say that for sure.<>
187 posted on 10/15/2002 7:33:25 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: biblewonk
If I get on my knees and repeat John 3:16 100 times, though John 3:16 is scripture, I am chanting. That is a vain repetition. I am also not praying though my mind is focused on God and sending my little words to Him. It is not prayer.

Well, now I've heard everything. I can't imagine one's mind being focused on God and it not being considered prayer. What is "prayer," then, according to the biblewonk?

And you belittle our "little words," without contemplating that to the Almighty all of our words are "little." I imagine to Him our best efforts are something like my 16 month old pretending to talk on the phone. It's cute and heartwarming, but it isn't exactly oration.

SD

188 posted on 10/15/2002 7:36:27 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: biblewonk
Ok now we have 3 different things, prayer, singing, and chanting. They are all different. Someone rightly pointed out earlier that there is repetition in a couple of psalms which are songs. But heathens chant to their gods and that is what God doesn't want.

<. Please cite the Scripture for this claim<>

189 posted on 10/15/2002 7:37:27 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Desdemona
I don't know some of this stuff came from, but there are a lot of add ons and errors.

I agree..
190 posted on 10/15/2002 7:43:25 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Polycarp; biblewonk; drstevej
Sorry my entire being does scream at anti-Catholic bigots, I'll never get used to their false doctrines and and willful lies and I only seek to lay them open.

Polycarp, did you happen to watch Journey Home last night on EWTN? Marcus Grodi's guest was Terry Meade, former Assembly of God minister, raised as an Evangelical since birth.

Terry spoke of his 10 years as a minister and the animosity he held for catholics. One of the more gratifying moments was when he baptized a catholic into the protestant faith, asking him to renounce all of his former teachings.

Terry went on to speak about one of his congregants who loved the divine word so much, that he studied Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic in order to read the gospels in their original language. This same person came to Terry one day and told him that, after reading and studying the bible in its original language, he had understood that the catholic church was indeed the true church of Jesus Christ. Even after his conversion, he continued to remain friends with Terry. They would have lengthy discussions on various bible passages. Eventually, Terry's heart was opened to "the truth" as he phrased it and he spoke with his wife about his decision to convert to the catholic faith. His wife was far more reserved. She advised him that she would accompany him to the RCIA classes but had NO intention of converting to the catholic faith.

This segment of Journey Home will repeat on Saturday @ 11pm. It is most interesting to see church dogma and traditions, that we have accepted all along, through the eyese of someone who once reviled catholics.

Next Monday at 8pm, Marcus Grodi will have as his guest, Rod Bennett, a former Southern Baptist minister and nondenominational missionary.

191 posted on 10/15/2002 7:56:31 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Catholicguy
How do you explain away Matthew 6:7 with regards to the
rosary???
192 posted on 10/15/2002 7:56:41 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: Woodkirk; Catholicguy
Ummm...if you go back a few posts...the protestant translations use the words vain repetition. Catholic bible translations use babble.

There's part of the problem.
193 posted on 10/15/2002 8:00:23 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Here's an except from a book entitled "The Secret of the Rosary" by St. Louis De Montort, who was probably one of the most devoted saints of Our Lady.

"People who say Our Lord's Prayer carefully, weighing every word and meditating upon it, may indeed call themselves blessed for they find therein everything that they need or can wish for.

"When we say this wonderful prayer we touch God's heart at the very outset by calling Him by the sweetest name of Father-Our Father. He is the dearest of fathers: all powerful in His creation, wonderful in the way He maintains the world, completelylovable in His Divine Providence,-always good and infinetely so in the Redemption. We have God for our Father, so we are all brothers-and Heaven is our homeland and our heritage. This should be more than enough to teach us to love God and our neighbor and to be detached from the things of this world.

"So we ought to love our Heavenly Father and should say to Him over and over again:

"Our Father Who art in Heaven
Thou Who dost fill heaven and earth
with the immensity of Thy Being
Thou Who art present everywhere-
Thou Who art in the saints
By Thy Glory,
In the damned
By Thy Justice,
In the good
By Thy Grace,
And even in sinners
By the patience
With which Thou dost tolerate them-
Grant we beseech Thee
That we may always remember
That we come from Thee;
Grant that we may live
As Thy true children ought to live-
Grant that we may set our course
Towards Thee
And never swerve-
Grant that we may use
Our every power,
Our hearts and souls and strength
To tend towards Thee
And THEE Alone."

That's an except from 6 pages of the book St. Louis De Montfort uses to break down every sentence of the Our Father and explain and go into depth on.

194 posted on 10/15/2002 8:00:53 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Junior
And, as I pointed out, it serves the same function as a hymn. You do sing hymns, don't you?

So you are saying a chant is the same as a hymn?

195 posted on 10/15/2002 8:15:52 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Desdemona
The Greek word there is "battalogeo" which my Greek Concordance says means "to prate tediously". The Douay Rheims that I have says "to multiply words".

Your own DR says "do not multiply words as the Gentiles do". I don't know how you get around that because the last time I said the rosary, I was multiplying words -- not adding or subtracting or even dividing but multiplying, you know Hail Mary x 5, etc.

The fact that the heathen [Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, etc] still do this and it bears such a close resemblance to the rosary should give you all pause to think that this is just what Jesus said NOT to do.

196 posted on 10/15/2002 8:20:01 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: Woodkirk
The fact that the heathen [Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, etc] still do this and it bears such a close resemblance to the rosary should give you all pause to think that this is just what Jesus said NOT to do.

There is some info out there, I don't remember how I came by this, that the Rosary as beads was adopted from Buddist monastaries. I don't know how true this is. The fact that it was adopted doesn't change prayer.

I think the sticking point is vanity. If the words are said simply and are sincere, there is no vanity. We do not know what Christ considers vain, just what man does.
197 posted on 10/15/2002 8:28:05 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
<> Yeah, I know. I just wanted them to use their translations to support their claims. They can't, even using their own translations.

For them, Scripture means what the Oral Traditions of the 16th Century heretics say they mean. If that meaning conflicts with the plain words of Scripture, then, Scripture must be cast in the abattoir of eisegesis until it submits to the malign machinations of the Luther, Calvin, Zwingli axis of interpretative terrorists.<>

198 posted on 10/15/2002 8:33:32 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
must be cast in= must be cast into
199 posted on 10/15/2002 8:35:12 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: biblewonk
It serves the same function -- it focuses the mind on the situation at hand.
200 posted on 10/15/2002 8:39:03 AM PDT by Junior
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