[american colleen]

Link to "It was us against them"

While the article caught my eye initially because of the mention of Cardinal Mahony, I did a search on the site for more articles that Robert Kumpel wrote. Interestingly, I came across a review of Michael Rose's book "Goodbye! Good Men" written more than one year after Mr. Kumpel wrote the article I posted above. Anyway, when digging around the site a bit more, I found one priest who wrote to Mr. Kumpel, in some detail, basically saying that he was educated at St. John's and never saw what Mr. Kumpel asserts in his article. More he said/(s)he said stuff. So, Michael Rose isn't the only one who gets questioned/refuted about his theory of orthodox seminarians being screened out of some seminaries.

Check out a couple of the "Roamin' Catholic" articles if you can. The diocese sure seems to have a lot of parishes with some pretty funky stuff going on at Mass.

[american colleen]

A little more in-depth information regarding Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles describing the drop in ordinations since 1970 as "one of the fruits of the Second Vatican Council."

[Salvation]

If you want holy priests, you need a holy bishop."

Says it all.

[Salvation]

In thinking about this, it makes complete sense that Mahony is a blankety - blank - blank. How did he ever get around the Historical Site Committee of the State of California to remove St. Vibianna's Cathedral, a protected State of California Historical Site?????

He has to be a persuasive, back-stabbing so and so who can talk himself in and out of any argument or situation at will. God have mercy of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and on us all.

[heyheyhey]

Kurt (not his real name) was one of many seminarians asked to leave St. John's seminary for "psychological reasons." "I was dismissed for my doctrinal views -- my theology was suspect," he said.

This sounds a lot like a couple of YOU-KNOW-WHO'S, former seminarians, posting on FR
;^D

[JMJ333]

When he's in your presence, he really wins you over. He has a way of gauging you and he holds all his cards to his chest. He lets you break the ground and, once that happens, he's very agreeable to whatever you say. Everyone walks away from him saying, 'what a wonderful man!' When you're with him one on one, he really does fool you. It's when you find out what he's done later that you realize what you're dealing with, and it's not gentle.

Very similar description to Bill Clinton.

[TotusTuus]

I've heard these stories firsthand from priests and (ex)seminarians who went to this seminary. Back in the 80's there was a time when I was seriously considering the Call (as a Latin Rite Priest). At a diocesan level, I would have probably been sent to St. John's, though now, I don't think the diocese, which does not have its own seminary, sends seminarians there any more. I would have been very naive at the time as to the politics involved and obviously been labeled "rigid". I didn't go. I'm thankful.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Actual link: http://www.losangelesmission.com//ed/articles/2001/0301rk.htm

[Onelifetogive]

Does Mahony Want A Priestless Church?

A Priestless Church was good enough for the Apostles. What is wrong with a Priestless Church?

[Dajjal]

"What some refer to as a 'vocations crisis' is, rather, one of the many fruits of the Second Vatican Council, a sign of God's deep love for the Church, and an invitation to a more creative and effective ordering of gifts and energy in the Body of Christ." So wrote Roger Cardinal Mahony in As I Have Done for You, A Pastoral Letter on The Ministry, issued [in 2000].

....

Father Y said ....

"I'm fully convinced that these people are absolutely committed to a priestless church. The whole new pastoral associates program that they are implementing in Los Angeles is basically lay people taking on the role of priests in everything except the sacraments. We were actually told that they are envisioning one priest per parish, assisted by several pastoral associates. You cannot promote vocations to the priesthood and prepare for a priestless church at the same time, and that's what they are doing."

Who is behind this drive for a priestless church? "I hate to say it," said Father Y, "but who else could it possibly be but the cardinal himself? He doesn't want the 'model' of church that we have had up until now. I don't know if he would say 'priestless;' he would say we don't need this number of priests. For instance, he readily will accept the resignation of any priest for retirement without asking any questions or trying to talk him out of it. Even if they are not at retirement age, he accepts every single one that comes in. It's as if they are hoping we have as few as possible, so that we will be forced to use these pastoral associates."

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"What some refer to as a 'vocations crisis' is, rather, one of the many fruits of the Second Vatican Council."

For once, I think I have to agree with Card. Mahony.

And perhaps it was not an unintended consequence, but was created by design.

[Antoninus]

"The cardinal is a tough man," one explained. "He will just crush you. He won't stop. I know of a priest who spoke out against something the cardinal was behind and he would not back off until the priest resigned. He even threatened to withdraw financial support. He has a lot of power because Los Angeles is one of the richest dioceses in the world and money is power. That's one of the biggest ways he throws his weight around.

And he's a creature of the DNC. I reckon they catch him red handed like with Weakland and still not be able to get rid of him. Pray that God may make use of him and either turn his heart, or confound his designs.