Card. Mahony's Other Cathedral: "Saved, But Degraded"<br>The Rescue of St. Vibiana's Cathedral

Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | December, 2000 | Maggie Garcia

[MarMema]

The changes are becoming more visible and out in the open.
I am truly frightened for the RC church. Come back and read the article posted about the new churches being for the changes coming in the mass.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I wonder how everyone seems to know I have sweet cheeks.

LOL..I was wondering that too.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

it'll be over the day Rog and Co. try to formally split with Rome

Seriously, I think this is true but it will have a significant outcome. I think Rog is positioning himself as the 'American Pope' or 'anti-Pope' of AmChurch. I wonder if that is the reason Pope JP II has not reigned in the US Bishops more. The problem is, the liberals are predominantly in charge. They are already in de facto schism and if a Pope trys to remove them they could feasibly say fine, but I'll keep my Church anyway. This Pope realizes he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.

[american colleen]

This was about the time Rigali ordered all the Tabernacles back to the foot of the Crucifix.

Who is Rigali and is this "order" binding on all parishes? I'm interested because I have an ongoing "discussion" of this with my parish - they say NO and I say Yes, because our Lord should be central to our worship.

Check back later - I'm doing my penance this week by taking my 13 year old daughter and 3 of her friends to the Enrique Ingleses (sp) concert tonight. If I wasn't a Catholic, I'd probably slit my wrists... ;-)

[american colleen]

And I do want to say that, whatever Cardinal Law's faults -- and they are grave and public -- at least he hasn't inflicted any "renovation" on us.

Come out to the 'burbs... no building renovation, but a lot of interior renovation that seems to be at the whim of the parish priest. Could I tell you stories (spoken with a yiddish accent there).

[maryz]

This Pope realizes he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.

I think you're right. Especially with he inevitable input of the media.

[american colleen]

Can you give me a link to that article (new churches to accomodate for the "new" Mass, I mean)? Thanks in advance!

[MarMema]

I was referring to the article just above in post number 19.

[american colleen]

it'll be over the day Rog and Co. try to formally split with Rome

No, they will never "formally" split of their own volition, IMO. It has to be done so that it looks like Rome is at fault. It will start (it has already) with "Rome is out of touch" "they don't understand American Catholics" "Too old fashioned" "they can't tell us what to say (ICEL) because they are Italian and we are American" and stuff like that. It will be done appearing that Rome abandoned us here in the USA.

I hear rumblings like this all the time in my neck of the woods.

[american colleen]

Oh! Thanks a lot. I thought it was another thread that had been posted on FR.

[maryz]

but a lot of interior renovation that seems to be at the whim of the parish priest.

If you can make it some Sunday, do try to make the 10:00 a.m. at Gate of Heaven (at I and 4th streets, South Boston); that's the choir Mass -- my sister is in choir, and though she has reservations about the music director (or whatever his title is), he does choose good music and the church itself is lovely. (Maybe your father would like to come, too. You said he always liked Southie.)

My sister told me just today, though, the pastor is being transferred in a couple of months -- who knows what they'll get next? (He's being transferred to Cambridge; but I reminded her that Howie Carr said that in Cambridge -- as opposed to Brookline -- once you get a couple of blocks away from Harvard in any direction, you're back in the USA!)

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I pretty much agree. I'm thinking that if a Pope moves to excommunicate or demote them, they won't go quietly. I think they'd take their respective Churches with them. There wouldn't be many left with all the liberals in charge. Otherwise, Rog and company will just create their own "American Catholic" version of Catholicism with no one to stop them. I don't think they'll formally split unless someone pushes them out. In their minds, the first preference will be to subvert and take over from within (which I DON'T think will happen all the way to Rome). I just wonder how long it will be allowed to go unchecked.

It seems like there is a chess game going on at the top.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

sinkspur called her sweet cheeks or sweet cakes the other day.

[Desdemona]

Rigali is our archbishop. And yes the order is binding. All the churches that renovated had to put them back. Hahaha. I don't know that St. X has, but they're the ones that started the whole mess here. And since it's St. Louis Univ. and Rigali and the president there, Fr. Biondi, S.J. (and raving queen), have gone multiple rounds....

[Desdemona]

Are my "sweet cheeks" why I get eaten alive by mosquitoes?

[livius]

It seems like there is a chess game going on at the top.

I think you're 100% right on this one. It's very stressful because we don't know exactly what's going on. Nor do we know who's going to win.

[livius]

Is there an acronym for Laughed Till I Cried? If not, we need one: LTIC

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Uh oh sweet cheeks, you'd best watch out for West Nile virus;-)

[livius]

Thanks for the ping! I lived in Northern CA (SF and Santa Rosa) for years but never saw St. Vibiana's on my few trips to LA. It's truly beautiful.

Actually, I find it hard to imagine anybody who would be ideologue enough to want to destroy it simply to advance his own agenda. But Mahony clearly wanted it blotted out. It's ironic that purely secular folks have come to the rescue.

Another indication that the True, the Beautiful and the Good can never be separated. When people see the Beautiful, they're seeing the True and the Good, that is, God, even though they may not recognize it. The architectural preservationists have gotten a glimmer of God through this, something I suspect they'd have a hard time doing with Mahony's Monster (the new cathedral).

[Sock]

sinkspur called her sweet cheeks or sweet cakes the other day.

Thanks, that’s a relief. For a second, I thought I had some competition. ;)