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Card. Mahony's Other Cathedral: "Saved, But Degraded"<br>The Rescue of St. Vibiana's Cathedral
Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | December, 2000 | Maggie Garcia

Posted on 09/06/2002 9:49:18 PM PDT by Dajjal

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From the new cathedral's website (click on "About" and "History":

St. Vibiana's Cathedral

Plans for a Cathedral in Los Angles began as early as 1859. Eventually, the Cathedral on Main and Second Streets was built and dedicated to St. Vibiana in 1876 by Archbishop Joseph Sadoc Alemany of San Francisco, and completed four years and $80,000 later....

The plans announced in January, 1995 were to remain at the historic site of St. Vibiana's Cathedral. The old Cathedral, ravaged by earthquakes over the years, and closed since May, 1995 because of damage sustained during the 1994 Northridge earthquake, was to be torn down, and a new Cathedral Church was to be built on that general site....

The Archdiocese's engineers and contractors estimated that it would cost a minimum of eighteen to twenty million to save the old structure.

That's right -- because Cardinal Mahony refused to spend $18 - 20 million to restore the beautiful old earthquake-damaged cathedral, he instead spent $200 million of Los Angeles parishoners' money to build the "Taj Mahony" and this "Vibiana Place" will become a performing arts center, library, etc.

1 posted on 09/06/2002 9:49:18 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Could someone help post these photos? Thanks!

Old St. Vibiana Cathedral, 1876
Main and 2nd


South >Wall

Bell Steeple

Statue of St. Matthew

Statue of St. John

North Gate

Background on Cathedral murals (no photos)

Igor de Kansky, muralist: biography

2 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:22 PM PDT by Dajjal
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From Ad Orientem blog:

Hold the holy water

Reader Michael Z. writes he isn't sure whether to laugh or get a headache over this TCR apologia for the Taj Mahony.

Still, even Oceania had to have a re-write department in the Ministry of Truth, for this little piece of anti-INGSOC thinking gets into the article: The writer is disappointed that there are no Holy Water fonts for people to bless themselves with as they enter…But no bad thoughts allowed :

"But I've decided to give the Cardinal a pass on this one, for now, because it's obvious that they are still doing a lot of work, so maybe those will be installed later."

I've been directing people to your blog for the LA Times quote that Mahony was taking credit for every single detail of the Cathedral, even the light bulbs on the freight elevator ! But OOPS ! The whole idea of HOLY WATER slipped his mind. I guess the freight elevator chewed up so much of his time, that he hasn't gotten around to the Holy Water yet ...

The whole Holy Water font issue shouldn't trouble us, because, TCR assures us, ROME WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IN GOOD TIME (i.e., as Fr. McCloskey says, "check back in a thousand years" )…

There you have it -- The Voice of Orthodox Catholicism at the Dawn of the 21st Century: "So what if there are no Holy Water fonts?"

Instead of taking any action, we are supposed to wait around for Vatican III...

An interesting -- and quite telling -- detail to leave out of a micro-managed $195-million cathedral. So now worshipers entering the church have taken to blessing themselves from the Jacuzzi baptismal font.

A question: To what does one genuflect upon entering the pew when the Blessed Sacrament is over in a corner somewhere?

Each other, one supposes, in the new Church of Me.

9/6/02 3:58 PM

3 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:29 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Sheesh! Ping to the posse.
4 posted on 09/06/2002 11:05:25 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Dajjal
More photos of St. Vibiana's

(Someone please post)

This cathedral could have been restored with $18-20 million!

5 posted on 09/06/2002 11:05:54 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Moderator Rubin ... described how in May of 1996, the cardinal had the stained glass windows removed, along with the statues and other artifacts

This was written in 12/00. I wonder if any of these were ever located, or did Mahony sell them on eBay.

6 posted on 09/06/2002 11:12:00 PM PDT by Dajjal
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7 posted on 09/06/2002 11:12:57 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Much prettier than that..that...other thing..

8 posted on 09/06/2002 11:13:46 PM PDT by JMJ333
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9 posted on 09/06/2002 11:15:50 PM PDT by JMJ333
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St. Matthew

10 posted on 09/06/2002 11:17:48 PM PDT by JMJ333
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The quote about how Card. Mahony chose even "the wattage of the lightbulbs in the freight elevator."
11 posted on 09/06/2002 11:20:48 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Many thanks!
12 posted on 09/06/2002 11:21:41 PM PDT by Dajjal
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You're welcome!

North Gate

13 posted on 09/06/2002 11:29:00 PM PDT by JMJ333
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The whole Holy Water font issue shouldn't trouble us, because, TCR assures us, ROME WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IN GOOD TIME

14 posted on 09/06/2002 11:43:05 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Dajjal
The inside of the Cathedral is very pretty (pictures from link in #5).
15 posted on 09/06/2002 11:45:33 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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The muliple deceptions of Cardinal Mahoney and his determination to destroy this traditional church are emblematic of what has been going on for forty years--the ransacking of Catholic culture from top to bottom. It is not just Catholic architecture that has been affected, but its doctrines, its theology, its prayer-life, its canonization process, its sacraments, its religious institutions, its family life, its priesthood, its seminaries, its catechesis, its liturgy. Nothing has been left as it was--and the present Pope has not lifted a finger for more than twenty years to halt the demolition. It is a tragedy of such magnitude that it is beyond saying. It is comparable, I think, to the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. Like the Jews who mourned that loss, we will ourselves mourn our own spiritual losses for the next few thousand years.

16 posted on 09/07/2002 12:36:29 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Dajjal
What is his problem??! Is he possessed?

(And why exactly does a cathedral need a freight elevator?)

17 posted on 09/07/2002 3:46:23 AM PDT by maryz
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At this meeting that Mahony told them that he wanted to raze the cathedral because of anticipated liturgical changes.

Anyone wish to conjecture a guess as to which (if any) liturgical change he was referring to? I do recall reading somewhere that a mad rush by several bishops occurred during that time frame, to "renovate" or "build" cathedrals. Here in Albany, NY, the bishop raised monies to "restore" the cathedral.

18 posted on 09/07/2002 5:40:11 AM PDT by NYer
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At this meeting that Mahony told them that he wanted to raze the cathedral because of anticipated liturgical changes.

Found it!!

From St. Catherine's Review, written by Michael Rose

MILWAUKEE, DETROIT, SAN ANTONIO, New Orleans, Memphis, Charleston, W.Va., Kansas City, Kan., Grand Rapids, Covington, St. Petersburg, Colorado Springs, Lafayette, Ind., Honolulu—these are just some of the U.S. dioceses now renovating their cathedral churches. Others like Houston, Oakland, Laredo, and most notably, Los Angles are in the process of building new cathedrals.

According to Father Carl Last, former head of the Federation of Diocesan Liturgical Commissions, twenty cathedrals in the U.S. are presently being renovated. Fr. Last was appointed in December by Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland as director of the planned renovation for St. John the Evangelist Cathedral in Milwaukee. His comments came in a presentation to Cathedral parishioners in June. Milwaukee’s project appears to be the most drastic of the cathedral renovation projects now underway, although perhaps not as controversial as others such as San Fernando Cathedral in San Antonio and Covington, Ky.’s Cathedral Basilica of the Assumption.

According to conceptual plans released by Fr. Last in June, the Milwaukee cathedral, which dates from 1847, will be remodeled to square with what he calls "the latest liturgical norms." According to Milwaukee’s Catholic Herald, plans include removing the fixed wooden pews and replacing them with chairs that can be reconfigured at the whim of liturgists; relocating the choir loft to the front of the church, placing a baptismal pool near the front entrance of the cathedral, moving the tabernacle away from the centrally located baldachino; expanding the current choir loft to accommodate balcony seating; converting the sacristy into a daily Mass chapel; and creating niches to display "ethnic art representing the diversity of the archdiocesan population."

Plans to move the altar into "the midst of the congregation" are drawing the heaviest criticism. According to the Herald, "The chairs would be arranged in community-building fashion," in accord with current archi-liturgical fads advanced by a small elite corps of liturgical ideologues bent on remaking the Mass and redefining the posture of worship for Catholics in the U.S. Since no architectural drawings have yet been rendered, Fr. Last claims that no budget has yet been established for the project, which is expected to commence in August. A diocesan-wide resistance to the proposed renovations is being led by the St. Gregory VII chapter of Catholics United for the Faith, which has already organized a petition campaign.

One of the more contentious aspects of the Milwaukee project is the hiring of liturgical consultant Father Richard Vosko, a priest of the Diocese of Albany who has been on "special assignment" since 1970 renovating (many say "ruining") Catholic churches throughout the country. Fr. Vosko’s iconoclasm is matched only by his ubiquity. At present he is also "consulting" on the designs for San Antonio’s Cathedral; providing the education sessions at Colorado’s Spring’s St. Mary’s Cathedral; and serving as consultant for Cardinal Roger Mahony’s new cathedral, nicknamed the "Rog Mahal." He recently completed work on Grand Rapid’s Cathedral of St. Andrew; and is rumored to be in line for a commission at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Rochester, N.Y. In recent years he has also served as liturgical consultant for the renovations of cathedrals in Nashville and Seattle, as well as dozens of parish churches.

In San Antonio Fr. Vosko is promoting a similar renovation program for the nation’s oldest cathedral, calling for rearranged seating around an altar that sits in "the midst of the congregation." Standard fad features such as moveable seating and a baptismal pool near the entrance of the church are also part of the program. Last year the Archdiocese announced a $5.7 fundraising affair to "restore" the 262-year-old church. Warnings from laymen about the possibility of radical alterations have been met with considerable irritation by cathedral rector Father David Garcia, who publicly charged his critics in the city’s Express News of "a campaign of distortion and misinformation." In a classic posture of denial routinely assumed by those overseeing church renovations, Fr. Garcia has maintained that the historic architecture of San Fernando Cathedral will be preserved and restored. "We’re rearranging furniture, not modernizing the Church," he told the Express News.

Edmundo Vargas, a leader of the renovation resistance in San Antonio wonders why a consultant with Fr. Vosko’s reputation would be hired if plans were simply to "preserve and restore." Vargas’ organization Defender’s of the Magisterium maintains a website ( to keep fellow Catholics educated about renovation myths emanating from the Archdiocese. Contrary to Fr. Garcia’s claims, architect’s renderings revealed in February had no kneelers, no statues and no pulpit. Judging from the steady stream of letters to the San Antonio Express-News, many in the community strongly object to proposals to alter the interior of the church. Hispanic Catholics are especially concerned that the cathedral’s Spanish heritage will be lost. Defenders of the Magisterium has organized a petition drive objecting not only to the renovation but also to the diocese’s use of the historic cathedral for non-religious events such as flamenco dance performances.

In response to critics archdiocesan officials continue with a straight face to maintain that the cathedral is not being "renovated," but will be simply a "return to its former beauty and style." This same claim has been made about every historic church renovation in which Fr. Vosko has been involved. The process he engineers includes invariable appeals to the historical and artistic heritage of the church in question. In Seattle, for instance, the pastor of St. James Cathedral assured all that the "beauty and integrity of the old venerable structure" would be respected. Renovation literature for the 1994 renovation also stated that the project would not "destroy the architectural beauty of the church." Yet with Fr. Vosko in command, that’s exactly what happened. In 1995 Catherine Ross of Belleview, Wash. told The Wanderer, "They said they were going to reclaim the historical integrity of the church, but they wrecked the design scheme. We don’t have an Italian Renaissance church anymore. Our cathedral looks like a reformation-era Catholic church taken over by Protestants who didn’t want any ‘popish artifacts.’"

But this script is not confined to Fr. Vosko; most other "certified" liturgical consultants use similar techniques and rhetoric with respect to historic church structures. In Covington, Ky., for instance, Bishop Robert Muench and architect Bill Brown continue to claim that their proposed renovation of the Cathedral Basilica will be "consonant with the cathedral’s basic architectural design and history," despite the fact that the entire sanctuary is being moved out into the "midst of the congregation," the marble communion rail and ornate hand-carved woodwork is being removed, a baptismal pool is being installed and pews are being rearranged.

Detroit’s cathedral is being renovated by Latvian native Gunnar Birkerts, a Michigan architect of considerable acclaim. Plans at Blessed Sacrament Cathedral call for a $20 million expansion and overhaul. The expansion includes a glass-and-steel transept that will be added to the north side of the neo-Gothic church. "We want to transform this formidable, dark, gray building into something that is much more inviting to people," Birkerts told the Detroit Free Press. "The shadowy stone arches around the altar will be transformed by curving metal-mesh sheets that will form a multi-layer abstract backdrop for the Mass." Judging the project by such descriptions, many Detroit area Catholics are concerned that the cathedral will be transformed into another one of the pieces of flat modern art that dot the city’s forlorn urban landscape.

Why the mad rush?
Curiously, cathedral rectors seem to be discovering en masse that their bishops’ churches are in need of some urgent repair—a leaky roof, an eroding foundation, peeling paint, an outdated mechanical system and so forth. In each case these "urgent" practical repairs have led to a liturgical epiphany. Monsignor Anthony Tocco, the head of the cathedral renovation committee in Detroit, explained to the Free Press that Blessed Sacrament’s "roof was in awful condition to the point that fixtures were harmed and the walls discolored. The bathrooms are inadequate, the lighting is poor, and we have no good gathering areas." This, he said, precipitated the current $20 million project that the diocese claims it will foot. Similarly, Fr. Last told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that "church officials began looking at renovating [St. John Cathedral] only when infrastructure concerns began to crop up." This urgent need to make practical improvements often gives rise to a radical restructuring of the church’s archi-liturgical components, although no linkage logically exists.

Informed Catholic activists, now better acquainted with renovation rhetoric than in years past, are better able to recognize the warning signs of plans to implement a major church overhaul. Activists in Rochester, N.Y., for instance, have seen the writing on the wall for the future of that diocese’s Sacred Heart Cathedral. They are acting now to "nip it in the bud" before any of the archi-liturgical plans get underway.

Many have been wondering why, over the past year or so, the church renovation business appears to have mushroomed. It is not so much because the need of repairs has suddenly become urgent as because the renovation environment may soon drastically change. Two important Church documents that may significantly affect church architecture are due out soon. The U.S. bishops are in the midst of preparing a statement on church architecture (tentatively called Domus Dei), to be discussed and possibly voted on at that bishops’ national meeting in November of 2000. Likewise, the Vatican is preparing to release the third edition of the Roman Missal. Both documents are likely to contradict some of renovation design features highly favored by the archi-liturgical establishment. In fact, last October, church architects, design consultants and quasi-artists gathered in Colorado Springs to discuss ways of getting around the expected directives that may soon be forthcoming. In the mean time, liturgical design consultants are recommending the "Humpty Dumpty" approach: renovate as much as possible at as many churches as possible before the new documents are released. Once millions have been spent to destroy a cathedral, for instance, it will be hard "to put back together again."

19 posted on 09/07/2002 5:51:36 AM PDT by NYer
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Oh, my...anticipated liturgical changes?

Thank heaven for people like Gilmore.

I'm all for building and creating jobs, but Mahoney needs to go. All the machinations just go to prove Mahoney is dangerous. This is the same $#!% Mussolini pulled in Rome destroying priceless beauty all for his own ego. The least he could have done is appease the people and take down the Victor Emmanuel monument. But I digress.

Any mention of that sort of rape to the Cathedral here and whoever does it will be crucified, stoned and then the Sansones will take care of them. No way Jose. Touch one little piece of glass in those mosaics and even the protestants will pitch a fit.

Poor Los Angeles. How have they survived?
20 posted on 09/07/2002 5:57:05 AM PDT by Desdemona
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