Posted on 09/05/2002 12:35:50 PM PDT by NYer
PHILADELPHIA (AP) _ An Episcopal priest who says the church has become too liberal on issues such as the ordination of women and recognition of same-sex unions was defrocked Thursday by the bishop of Pennsylvania.
The Rev. David Moyer is a leader of Forward in Faith, a movement that sought to make him a bishop for more conservative congregations within the church.
Bishop Charles E. Bennison Jr. said it was not Moyer's beliefs but his rejection of the bishop's authority that prompted his dismissal from the ministry. ``I find it grievous for him, and for his family. I did everything I knew to make it otherwise,'' Bennison said.
Moyer, pastor of the Church of the Good Shepherd, had said recently that he expected to be removed. He did not immediately return a call Thursday. Bennison supports the ordination of women and of homosexuals who are in committed relationships.
Nationally, the Episcopal Church allows the ordination of women. It officially opposes same-sex relations, but in practice it brings no sanctions against those who ordain actively homosexual clergy or conduct same-sex unions.
I hope so!
Yes
We do not believe in a transient real presence. While many Anglicans are uncomfortable with Transubstantiation, we believe that Jesus is truly present in the blessed sacrament.
and 23.How to say the Rosary (different methods) Also interesting. So, the protestant posters on these threads limit their "Mary bashing" strictly for the Catholics.
Anglicans do not consider the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception to be doctrinal. Many Anglicans observe these holy days and Marian devotions are quite common. You can see on ebay that Anglican rosaries are in common use, too, as there are always many for sale. We consider the Marian doctrines to be "pious beliefs." None are required to observe them (unless their religious order requires it) but all are free to and in may cases encouraged to.
As far as the "Mary bashing" goes, I don't think Anglicans in general go as far as Romans in Marian devotions. I am not aware of any talk of co-redemptrix among Anglicans.
There were other breaks as well. Sacramental confession for example, is available in the Episcopal church, but is not required as in the Catholic church, a general confession of the body of Christ being preferred. The tradition of purgatory was much maligned as well at the time of the Reformation because of the rampant abuses within the church, in such practices as the sale of indulgences, as if mere man could buy passage to heaven for a loved one gone before. This practice was rejected outright.
There are today wide variations in practice in the Episcopal church dealing with these ancient traditions. In many cases a local church may adopt practices that may be acceptable, but not a part of canon law. We have many things in common with the Catholic church because more than any other church to develop its own identity during the Reformation, the Anglican (I use the terms Anglican and Episcopal interchangably) church developed in more of a parallel way than others who openly rebeled against the Catholic church and in many cases threw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. The Anglican church seems to be more of an evolution than a rebellion, rejecting those doctrines and practices that it deemed unscriptural while retaining that which it considered to be of proven and lasting value.
Please forgive me for responding to this without first reading other responses.
Anglicans believe in real presence but many reject the doctrine of Transubstantiation. I know this causes confusion for RC's because they don't separate the two, but Anglicans do. Generally the Anglican position is that Augustine was right about it, and that the medeival schoolmen took it too far.
Anglicans pray to Mary and the saints. Anglicans pray for the departed.
What separates Anglicans from Rome is foremost a disagreement on Papal authority. Secondary are the Marian doctrines of Assumption and Immaculate Conception. Anglicans don't object to them per se, only to their doctrinal status. Another thing that separates us is that Rome, officialy, considers Anglican orders to be "absolutely null and utterly void." There are other issues to be sure, but these are the biggies.
Right. I guess I thought of that as being so obvious that I didn't mention it. The pope is generally very highly respected in the Episcopal church, but no one is considered to be on equal par with Scripture, which is our sole authority.
LOL! Give that Siobhan a Cohiba!
I was always taught the Immaculate Conception. And I am not particularly high church.
I don't think it's so much of a high church low church issue. I was raised in a high church tradition and was never taught the Immaculate Conception. In fact, I have some real misgivings about it personally.
And a suprisingly good one at that!
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