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To: Antoninus
If the Vatican and SSPX were to reconcile on exactly the terms the SSPX has demanded, would you:

You keep asking this question as if it were going to happen.

The SSPX's demands are the same demands it has made for years. The Vatican will not accept those demands, especially that one which the SSPX would like to use to supplant the Novus Ordo by allowing priests to, willy-nilly, use the Tridentine Mass whenever they want.

Fellay and company had best accept what JPII is offering; they're not going to get a more conservative Pope on this issue. There are those in the Vatican who would walk away from the SSPX and leave it in its schism.

The SSPX is not going to bend. An idiot like Williamson, with his fascination with the Unabomber, will heel to no one, least of all the Pope.

128 posted on 07/20/2002 5:26:03 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
You are far from infallible Sinkspur, further there are those in the Curia that agree with the SSPX issues vis-a-vis the liturgy. Card. Ratzinger has approached Mgr. Fellay with a commission to look into the liturgical issues with SSPX and Vatican theologians. Frankly the Campos resolution and the offer on the table are so close to the "asking price" of the SSPX that your protestations seem a bit shrill. As for Bp. Williamson, he may end up in the SSPV if your claims about him are correct. That will be sad, but it isn't the core issue.

How do you answer the question? (Stipulating that the offer is accepted with the Tridentine Indult requirement deleted and that Rite universally available.)
129 posted on 07/20/2002 5:35:47 PM PDT by narses
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To: sinkspur
Sinkspur is in touch with the real world and the real battles and knows where the real enemies are and where to point his sword. Antonius and narses, even after the latest Hoyos warning, is living in some quiet delusion, a utopia of his, theirs, and best not be disturbed.

The storms are great and the mutinous and the sad nervous ones are tempted to shut their eyes, run and live in dreamland of yesteryears.

The cross is a disturbing darkness for all, especially for those who prefer times when the lake was calm. But those who remain steadfast with Peter in Christ will, by grace, endure to the end and save their souls. Meanwhile, we pray for these others who attack Peter in his hour of need and countless persecutions. How tragically unlike the Saints! See Hoyos' quote from St. Catherine of Siena who would scorn any attempt to even suggest the Pope could break with the "substance" of Tadition (as opposed to the passing accidents of other traditions--like burnings at the stake---which the Church rejected as not being part of her substance, the Deposit of Faith which only Rome can interpret and pass on.

132 posted on 07/20/2002 7:10:15 PM PDT by StillSmallVoice
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To: sinkspur
The SSPX's demands are the same demands it has made for years. The Vatican will not accept those demands, especially that one which the SSPX would like to use to supplant the Novus Ordo by allowing priests to, willy-nilly, use the Tridentine Mass whenever they want.

Last time I checked, you were not the Pope. I'm assuming you have a "source" who has a line to Rome, but unless that source is Castrillon-Hoyos or Ratzinger or the Pope himself, I dare say that your guess is as good as the rest of ours when it comes to this question.

Fellay and company had best accept what JPII is offering;

Here we agree.

they're not going to get a more conservative Pope on this issue.

I like how you threw "on this issue" in there. I don't presume to speak for the Holy Spirit, so once again, your words are less than authoritative on this question too.

There are those in the Vatican who would walk away from the SSPX and leave it in its schism.

Sure, just as there are those at the Vatican who would like to get rid of priestly celibacy, ordain women and homosexuals, etc. In fact, they're probably the same people.
143 posted on 07/21/2002 5:49:54 AM PDT by Antoninus
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