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To: sinkspur
Sinkspur is in touch with the real world and the real battles and knows where the real enemies are and where to point his sword. Antonius and narses, even after the latest Hoyos warning, is living in some quiet delusion, a utopia of his, theirs, and best not be disturbed.

The storms are great and the mutinous and the sad nervous ones are tempted to shut their eyes, run and live in dreamland of yesteryears.

The cross is a disturbing darkness for all, especially for those who prefer times when the lake was calm. But those who remain steadfast with Peter in Christ will, by grace, endure to the end and save their souls. Meanwhile, we pray for these others who attack Peter in his hour of need and countless persecutions. How tragically unlike the Saints! See Hoyos' quote from St. Catherine of Siena who would scorn any attempt to even suggest the Pope could break with the "substance" of Tadition (as opposed to the passing accidents of other traditions--like burnings at the stake---which the Church rejected as not being part of her substance, the Deposit of Faith which only Rome can interpret and pass on.

132 posted on 07/20/2002 7:10:15 PM PDT by StillSmallVoice
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To: StillSmallVoice
Antonius and narses, even after the latest Hoyos warning, is living in some quiet delusion, a utopia of his, theirs, and best not be disturbed.

I wouldn't be that hard on our compatriots. They are Tridentine advocates, which is fine, but the dispute with the SSPX is about more than the Tridentine Mass.

JPII earnestly wants to bring the SSPX back, and, it appears, Fellay is in dialogue with the Vatican.

But the hair-on-fire types, like Williamson, will simply not concur, and they will never concur.

I look for a partial reunion, with the diehards following Williamson off into the weeds.

133 posted on 07/20/2002 7:26:22 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: StillSmallVoice; narses
Antonius and narses, even after the latest Hoyos warning, is living in some quiet delusion, a utopia of his, theirs, and best not be disturbed.

What are you talking about? I can't speak for narses on this, but my question was asked in good faith. I don't presume to speak for the Chair of St. Peter -- I don't pretend to know what the Vatican is going to do. All we can do is speculate. To somehow insinuate that my speculation is delusional -- almost schismatic, yet yours is inspired by the Holy Spirit is a little silly, don't you think? Unless, of course, you are Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, himself. Should we be addressing you as "Your Emminence"?
146 posted on 07/21/2002 6:05:53 AM PDT by Antoninus
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