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Have faith: Why women will be priests
Chicagotribune.com ^
| July 14, 2002
| Prof. Garry Wills
Posted on 07/14/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by heyheyhey
Edited on 07/14/2002 11:32:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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The Catholic Church, that claims to learn from the ages through which it has perdured, will learn in time that policies formed when women were considered inferior cannot survive in our day.
Some claim that the pedophile-priest scandal has nothing to do with the mandatory celibacy rule for Roman Catholic priests. But a majority of Catholics agree that "priestly celibacy increases the chances of sexual abuse"--51 percent in a Dallas Morning News poll and 52 percent in a Canadian News poll. This is a matter of common sense. How can anyone doubt that the abuse of minors would not have spread so far in secret if priests' wives or women priests had been part of the church's structure? Recent articles have noted how many of the whistle-blowers in recent business scandals have been women. They were not bound by the boys' club rules of the past.
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To: Snuffington
Nicely done responses. Gary Wills is like a number of others: advertises as a Catholic, thinks and speaks as a Protestant (Bill O'Reilly is another.)
But, it's a living....
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posted on
07/16/2002 11:27:07 AM PDT
by
ninenot
To: heyheyhey
Greek words agricola (a farmer) or nauta (a sailor)Greek words? Methinks, dear Homer, you have nodded.
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posted on
07/16/2002 11:28:45 AM PDT
by
ninenot
To: Illbay
"My point was there is an awful lot of silliness in Roman Catholic tradition, so that exalting all of it isn't necessarily a good idea"
So far, you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that sources any of your gratuitous acccusations.
Where, in your religious tradition, is it taught one ought to do that? Citations please
To: Snuffington
Angels dancing on pins is an stereotypical criticism of scholaticism...utilized mostly by people who have never read Aquinas. As (I think) Jaki points out, this analogy had to do with Thomas' explication of higher mathematics and was quite influential in further Western scientific developments.
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posted on
07/16/2002 11:33:06 AM PDT
by
ninenot
To: Catholicguy
65
posted on
07/16/2002 11:46:39 AM PDT
by
Sock
To: ninenot
Angels dancing on pins is an stereotypical criticism of scholaticism
ninot writes:
...utilized mostly by people who have never read Aquinas.
I believe that he did consider whether more than one angel could occupy the same space at the same time. I think he answered 'no', not because they occupied space (which, not being immaterial, they did not), but
because two distinct causes could not each be the immediate cause of the same thing.
To: Mike Fieschko
Sorry, I meant to italicize nineot's typing, and indicate that the final paragraph is mine.
To: Mike Fieschko
And wound up misspelling ninenot's name twice. What's the emoticon for hitting myself upside the head?
To: Sock
Look at the way the genius of Aquinas is manifested in even this seemingly insignificant issue. The real point is that the Orthodox never have had nor will they ever have a saint like the Angelic Doctor and so you hear this kind of denigrading comment from them when it's clearly not warranted. It makes me snicker.
Resurrection at night
The "hermaphrodite" point is whack.
69
posted on
07/16/2002 11:58:31 AM PDT
by
Sock
To: heyheyhey
Sophia is Latin...The biblical sophia is a Greek word.
Thanks for the correction! You are so right that many people seduced by the feminist ideology do not understand about word gender in many languages, or treat it like a worldwide sexist trap to deny 'womyn'. I had always understood that the word 'gender' has classically been used when referring to language, as in your post, while 'sex' was used to differentiate between, well, the sexes. Is this understanding correct?
And then there is the anthropoi(gr) / homos(lat) translation argument. Speaking of which; 'herstory' to be a "female" response to 'history'?!? Keep your mouth shut and don't tell them where 'virtue' comes from...
To: TotusTuus
You're welcome :)
To: ninenot
These two (unlike sophia) are found in Latin as well, but they are both Greek imports, as far as I remember from school. Greek agros (field, farm) is the root word for agricola. The Greek origin of nauta is easier to proof for this discussions sake -- e.g. when one dissects the word cosmonaut meaning in Greek space-(universe)-sailor one gets a purely Greek word cosmos and another Greek word nauta -- the latter borrowed by Latin.
I am going to double-check in some clever book later, but Im 98.675% certain it is correct. Cheers!
:)
To: Sock
I've read the Summa, and I can assure you that the wing nut you are posting to has not
LOL I know. I was just asking the questions that were illustrating that
To: Catholicguy
To: Mike Fieschko
...which somehow, somewhere relates either to higher mathematics or physics. My memory is that Jaki wrote on the topic in Homiletic & Pastoral Review a number of years ago...
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posted on
07/17/2002 6:47:01 PM PDT
by
ninenot
To: heyheyhey
I should NEVER have sold my Greek textbooks. Nauta I will buy as Greek and should have thought so earlier. Still not willing to place 'agros' there, but let's not quibble.
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posted on
07/17/2002 6:49:55 PM PDT
by
ninenot
To: ninenot; heyheyhey
For what it's worth, my Liddell & Scott's lists Agros, -ou as the Grk noun for "field, land or the country" and as the equivalent for the Latin "ager."
To: ninenot
...which somehow, somewhere relates either to higher mathematics or physics. My memory is that Jaki wrote on the topic in Homiletic & Pastoral Review a number of years ago...
I suppose one could draw something similar to the Pauli exclusion principle from Aquinas' discussion, but, frankly, that's quite a reach.
Pauli was a Jewish convert, but left the Church later in life. Ernst Mach was his godfather. [Obscure Catholic facts #1024, 6536, 4409.]
To: ninenot; heyheyhey
nautes, -ou" is the Grk for "seaman,sailor." Naus is Grk for "ship."
To: FBDinNJ
Wills is both an ex-Jesuit and an ex-conservative, fast on his way to being a stereotypical ex-Catholic. When he finally makes up his mind, presumably he will have passed through Unitarianism, Theosophy, Transcendentalism, and the various schools of Buddhism and Tantric Yoga.
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