Posted on 07/14/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by heyheyhey
Edited on 07/14/2002 11:32:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Catholic Church, that claims to learn from the ages through which it has perdured, will learn in time that policies formed when women were considered inferior cannot survive in our day.
Some claim that the pedophile-priest scandal has nothing to do with the mandatory celibacy rule for Roman Catholic priests. But a majority of Catholics agree that "priestly celibacy increases the chances of sexual abuse"--51 percent in a Dallas Morning News poll and 52 percent in a Canadian News poll. This is a matter of common sense. How can anyone doubt that the abuse of minors would not have spread so far in secret if priests' wives or women priests had been part of the church's structure? Recent articles have noted how many of the whistle-blowers in recent business scandals have been women. They were not bound by the boys' club rules of the past.
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Oh yes, Holy Sophia or some such chimera. I don't have my research tools here, but if I recall my greek well enough, the greek word pneuma, (english = spirit) carries the neuter indefinite article. Except when used in Holy Scripture referring to the Holy Spirit where the masculine, not feminine, indefinite article is used. I'm 99% sure this is correct. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Sophia is latin for 'wisdom'.
LOL! Such loquaciousness! My Ontological Reality Meter, ORM for short, tells me you're male. Answers; short, direct, to the point. Oh, and accurate. Say, have you thought about being a bishop...
Then again my meter could be low on batteries... I just needed a chance to use the word 'loquacious'; been waiting to do it since learning it in high school. Nonetheless, this exchange reminds me of Tommy Lee Jones in MIB, which I just saw again to prepare for MIB 2, answering Will Smith about the "flashy-thingy"
(Briskly walking down a hall, J behind K)
J: How many times have you flashy-thingyed her before?
K: A couple
J: Aren't you worried in might affect her brain?
K: A little
J: Have you flashy-thingyed me?
K: No
J: No, really, HAVE YOU EVER FLASHY-THINGYED ME?
K: No ...
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A compendium of true stories surrounding feminism gone bad, February 19, 2000
Reviewer: A reader from New York
What happens when women fighting for a voice in the Church turn away from the very things every Catholic holds to be true? Find out in this book! It may scandalize some people, but I'm afraid it's the truth. Donna Steichen has even said that radical feminists have tried to stop the circulation of this book but simply cannot because it's all documented! Steichen shows where radical feminism in the Church has taken us and it's not a pretty place. It truly is a collection of horror stories showing how things went awry. Recommended for anyone who wants to understand how things got to be so bad in women's religious communities and how true feminism in the Church was perverted.
The biblical “sophia” is a Greek word. It is indeed a feminine noun. In Latin “wisdom” is also a feminine noun “sapientia.” E.g. -- sapientia edificavit sibi domum -- translated as “wisdom has built herself a home” -- Proverbs 9:1.
A quick search on the internet shows how folks (from the feminist spheres mostly) are fascinated with the femininity of that word “sophia.” The actual wisdom exposed on those web sites seems adversely proportional to the excitement about the femininity of that word.
What those folks do not realize is that in most languages, Greek, and Latin included, nouns have three genders, masculine, feminine, and neuter. The genders have little to do with biology. Greek can be tricky -- e.g. feminine Greek words “agricola” (a farmer) or “nauta” (a sailor) depict originally entirely masculine occupations. English is a genderless language where gender is attributed, with seldom exceptions, to persons only. In English, we do not think or speak of a chair, or a doorknob, or lint as of “him” or “her” ;)
The Catholic Church has a great deal of writing on this topic. Have you looked at any of it?
That was my point. You may believe as you wish, but you cannot demonstrate that this is "God's will," any more than you can prove how many angels can dance on the head of a pin (another traditional preoccupation of Catholic thought).
Angels dancing on pins is an stereotypical criticism of scholaticism. It has never been a "traditional preoccupation of Catholic thought."
I'm not sure what sort of demonstration of God's will you're personally looking for, and I don't really care to debate epistemology with you. The Catholic Church is satisfied discerning God's will through His Scriptures and the traditions of His Church, interpreted for us through the teaching authority of the Magesterium. Obviously, this is not something non-Catholics accept. If that's your point it's a rather obvious one, and not terribly relevant to the discussion on this thread.
My point was there is an awful lot of silliness in Roman Catholic tradition, so that exalting all of it isn't necessarily a good idea.
In my own religion, we have specific statements from God that it is NOT right to forbid marriage to anyone. I can support your insistence upon your traditions, certainly, but absolutely refuse to let pass the contention that it is "God's will," when I know that it is expressly CONTRARY to His will.
Of course not.
If you did, then you would’ve liked to become a Catholic :)
Women will ONLY be priests IF and ONLY IF, they are Haters of the 66 books of The Holy Bible.....THE ONLY WORD (message/Special Revelation) from the ONE and ONLY GOD!
Women will ONLY be priests IF and ONLY IF, as being therefore in "Rebellion" against the ONE and ONLY GOD, they therefore REJECT the Biblical SEVEN DAY account of CREATION by THE CREATOR/REEDEMER GOD,......and become Religious PHILOSOPHERS!
(Atheists, Pagans, Evolutionists, Heathen, Magicians, Witchgraft, etc!!!)
Women will ONLY be priests IF and ONLY IF, they HATE the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD, Moses, Jacob, and the PROMISES TO ISRAEL concerning INHERITANCE of the Nation of all ISRAEL as the PREMIERE REIGNING NATION (for 1,000 years) under Jesus Christ's Personal Messianic RULE/REIGN on "David's Throne" in Zion!!!
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