Have faith: Why women will be priests

Chicagotribune.com ^ | July 14, 2002 | Prof. Garry Wills

[ninenot]

Nicely done responses. Gary Wills is like a number of others: advertises as a Catholic, thinks and speaks as a Protestant (Bill O'Reilly is another.)

But, it's a living....

[ninenot]

Greek words “agricola” (a farmer) or “nauta” (a sailor)

Greek words? Methinks, dear Homer, you have nodded.

[Catholicguy]

"My point was there is an awful lot of silliness in Roman Catholic tradition, so that exalting all of it isn't necessarily a good idea"

So far, you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that sources any of your gratuitous acccusations.
Where, in your religious tradition, is it taught one ought to do that? Citations please

[ninenot]

Angels dancing on pins is an stereotypical criticism of scholaticism

...utilized mostly by people who have never read Aquinas. As (I think) Jaki points out, this analogy had to do with Thomas' explication of higher mathematics and was quite influential in further Western scientific developments.

[Sock]

I've read the Summa, and I can assure you that the wing nut you are posting to has not. It's a simple copy and paste from an Orthodox source with an ax to grind against Catholicism and her saints, i.e., St. Thomas Aquinas with St. Augustine soon to follow?

OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE BODIES IN THE RESURRECTION (FIVE ARTICLES)

[Mike Fieschko]

Angels dancing on pins is an stereotypical criticism of scholaticism

ninot writes:

...utilized mostly by people who have never read Aquinas.

I believe that he did consider whether more than one angel could occupy the same space at the same time. I think he answered 'no', not because they occupied space (which, not being immaterial, they did not), but because two distinct causes could not each be the immediate cause of the same thing.

[Mike Fieschko]

Sorry, I meant to italicize nineot's typing, and indicate that the final paragraph is mine.

[Mike Fieschko]

And wound up misspelling ninenot's name twice. What's the emoticon for hitting myself upside the head?

[Sock]

Look at the way the genius of Aquinas is manifested in even this seemingly insignificant issue. The real point is that the Orthodox never have had nor will they ever have a saint like the Angelic Doctor and so you hear this kind of denigrading comment from them when it's clearly not warranted. It makes me snicker.

Resurrection at night

The "hermaphrodite" point is whack.

[TotusTuus]

Sophia is Latin...

The biblical “sophia” is a Greek word.

Thanks for the correction! You are so right that many people seduced by the feminist ideology do not understand about word gender in many languages, or treat it like a worldwide sexist trap to deny 'womyn'. I had always understood that the word 'gender' has classically been used when referring to language, as in your post, while 'sex' was used to differentiate between, well, the sexes. Is this understanding correct?

And then there is the anthropoi(gr) / homos(lat) translation argument. Speaking of which; 'herstory' to be a "female" response to 'history'?!? Keep your mouth shut and don't tell them where 'virtue' comes from...

[heyheyhey]

You're welcome :)

[heyheyhey]

These two (unlike “sophia”) are found in Latin as well, but they are both Greek imports, as far as I remember from school. Greek “agros” (field, farm) is the root word for “agricola.” The Greek origin of “nauta” is easier to proof for this discussion’s sake -- e.g. when one dissects the word “cosmonaut” meaning in Greek “space-(universe)-sailor” one gets a purely Greek word “cosmos” and another Greek word “nauta” -- the latter borrowed by Latin.
I am going to double-check in some clever book later, but I’m 98.675% certain it is correct. Cheers!
:)

[Catholicguy]

I've read the Summa, and I can assure you that the wing nut you are posting to has not

LOL I know. I was just asking the questions that were illustrating that

[Catholicguy]

Here is a link to The Summa. Try reading two or three items in it

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/

[ninenot]

...which somehow, somewhere relates either to higher mathematics or physics. My memory is that Jaki wrote on the topic in Homiletic & Pastoral Review a number of years ago...

[ninenot]

I should NEVER have sold my Greek textbooks. Nauta I will buy as Greek and should have thought so earlier. Still not willing to place 'agros' there, but let's not quibble.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

For what it's worth, my Liddell & Scott's lists Agros, -ou as the Grk noun for "field, land or the country" and as the equivalent for the Latin "ager."

[Mike Fieschko]

...which somehow, somewhere relates either to higher mathematics or physics. My memory is that Jaki wrote on the topic in Homiletic & Pastoral Review a number of years ago...

I suppose one could draw something similar to the Pauli exclusion principle from Aquinas' discussion, but, frankly, that's quite a reach.

Pauli was a Jewish convert, but left the Church later in life. Ernst Mach was his godfather. [Obscure Catholic facts #1024, 6536, 4409.]

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

nautes, -ou" is the Grk for "seaman,sailor." Naus is Grk for "ship."

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Wills is both an ex-Jesuit and an ex-conservative, fast on his way to being a stereotypical ex-Catholic. When he finally makes up his mind, presumably he will have passed through Unitarianism, Theosophy, Transcendentalism, and the various schools of Buddhism and Tantric Yoga.