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An Open Letter to the Bishops (CMA on same-sex attraction)
The Catholic Medical Association ^ | Wednesday, June 26, 2002 | CMA Task Force

Posted on 06/26/2002 2:49:16 PM PDT by narses

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To: narses
Thank you for posting this excellent letter. Is there any way to determine whether it was sent to all diocesan leaders? Perhaps it should also be sent to each diocese newspaper's editor.
21 posted on 06/27/2002 8:12:17 AM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: sitetest
I am happy to stand corrected.
22 posted on 06/27/2002 8:31:01 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: narses
It appears the Bishops and Cardinals and whoever approved the Catechism are being called on the dime here:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that homosexuality’s “psychological genesis remains largely unexplained” (#2357). While it is understandable that the writers of the Catechism would not wish to make a definitive statement about a question which is at the center of such a contentious public debate, this statement does not accurately reflect what is known about homosexuality. There is ample evidence that same-sex attraction has many different causes. These lead to significant childhood and adolescent emotional pain and psychological problems. Among males these could include a weak masculine identity, social isolation and loneliness, peer rejection or a poor body image and in females, a mistrust of male love or a weak feminine identity

From my experience I would tend to agree with the CMA here rather than the Catechism. Anyone agree?

23 posted on 06/27/2002 8:35:37 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
If the media stops being politically correct and admits the problem is one of "same-sex attraction to adolescent males," progress will be made.

We can pray. And we can write letters to othe media and to our local church. It has been my experience not to go over the local level. You must do that and then you can contact the dioscesan, archdioscensan level. Am I correct or mistaken here?

24 posted on 06/27/2002 8:39:14 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: narses
people wrongly assume that the celibate life will be easy for them.

Our bishops need to heed this warning.

25 posted on 06/27/2002 9:20:27 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: maryz
To those who wish to be free from same-sex attraction it can be said with confidence that God didn’t make them that way and He wants them to be free. The good news is that SSA attraction can respond to therapy and that membership in a support group such as Courage can help a person to find healing and freedom.

Explain this to the sodomite sympathetic bishops! I think they reject statements like these because it tells them there is something wrong with themselves.

26 posted on 06/27/2002 9:28:55 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: maryz
Our experience over 25 years has convinced us of the direct link between rebellion and anger against the Church’s teaching, and sexually promiscuous behaviors. This appears to be a two way street: those who are sexually active dissent from the Church’s teaching on sexuality to justify their own actions, while those who adopt rebellious ideas on sexual morality are more vulnerable to become sexually active, because they have little to no defense against sexual temptations.

Our bishops must be deaf, dumb and blind!

27 posted on 06/27/2002 9:39:35 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Salvation
Wholeheartedly. Whithout any question. While I am uncomfortable disagreeing with the Catechism, I do.
28 posted on 06/27/2002 9:39:49 AM PDT by narses
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To: maryz
The previous attitude of “winking” at homosexuality in priests must end. Otherwise, all Church teaching on sexual morality is undermined. Also, complaints by priests of aggressive homosexual behavior in rectories and religious communities should be addressed and no longer ignored.

I don't know of anyone on this forum who would disagree with this. Why don't the bishops get it?

29 posted on 06/27/2002 9:41:12 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
Dear ThomasMore,

"Why don't the bishops get it?"

Some do, some don't.

I think it's important to try to distinguish between those that do and those that don't.

sitetest

30 posted on 06/27/2002 9:49:24 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: ThomasMore
Courage is the only recovery program for those with same sex attractions which adheres to the Catholic moral teaching on homosexuality and has been endorsed by the Vatican. .....Unfortunately, in some dioceses groups, such as Dignity, which do not accept the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, have a voice, while Courage is not welcome.

Amazing, isn't it? "Dignity" asks everyone to accept and dignify abominable behavior. The idea of courage has been rolled over by liberal feminazi lefties who teach our kids to be self-indulgent and to whine rather than to stand up and do the right thing. Perhaps after 911, the concept of courage is gaining popularity again. Let's hope so. Those NY fire- and policemen, a goodly percentage Roman Catholics, have taught the country a much-needed lesson about courage, which I think will keep on penetrating the public's foggy perceptions. We need stout-hearted men in the priesthood too to rescue our spirits. And our Church.

31 posted on 06/27/2002 9:55:14 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: ThomasMore
Why don't the bishops get it?

I've read or heard a couple of theories on this bandied about. It was suggested on EWTN's coverage of the Dallas USCCB meeting that "the bishops are afraid." Now, what did this mean? Are they afraid of the pressure from homosexual activist groups? Afraid Dignity and "Act Up" people would disrupt Masses, as they have in New York in the past? Or "afraid" that homosexual priests would stage protests or leave in large numbers? It's unclear.

The other possibility is that some bishops who do support banning homosexuals from the priesthood were afraid that trying to address that now would detract from clearing up the ephebophile and pedophile abuse mess. In other words, the protests and unrest unleashed by speaking negatively of homosexuals would just drown out all other discussion. Hard to say.

They are going to have to take a hard look at the "elephant in the room" at some point. All you have to do is ask - "What is the charter protecting children from?" The answer? Being sodomized by homosexual priests.

32 posted on 06/27/2002 9:58:29 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Salvation
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that homosexuality’s “psychological genesis remains largely unexplained”

It's really not the Catechism's place to pronounce on scientific matters; as I understand it, anyway, to a real scientist there are no scientific facts, only the latest hypothesis, which -- however convincing it appears now -- must be scrapped if even more convincing evidence ever turns up supporting an alternative hypothesis. (Many purported "scientists," of course, have an agenda of their own, but that's a different story.)

Also, even CMA does not claim that there is a single cause operating in each individual case: There is ample evidence that same-sex attraction has many different causes. I think the Catechism was wise to refrain from taking a position on a non-moral matter: the important part of the Catechism's point is that -- regardless of cause -- the inclination is disordered and the act gravely wrong. It might have been even wiser if the Catechism had dropped "psychological" and left it at "genesis."

33 posted on 06/27/2002 10:36:27 AM PDT by maryz
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To: PoisedWoman
We need stout-hearted men in the priesthood

Archbishop Dolan of Milwaukee saw to that in the NAC over his five year tenure.

34 posted on 06/27/2002 10:47:26 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: narses
There is ample evidence that same-sex attraction has many different causes. ...Among males these could include a weak masculine identity, social isolation and loneliness, peer rejection or a poor body image and in females, a mistrust of male love or a weak feminine identity.

Men and women experiencing same-sex attraction may rightly feel that they “have always felt different,” but that doesn’t mean they were born that way. Children are born either male or female, but they have to learn what it means to be a man or a woman. They have to identify with — and be accepted by — their same-sex parents and peers. If they are going to grow up psychologically healthy they have to feel safe and comfortable with their masculinity or femininity. If, for whatever reason, they fail to pass successfully through this essential developmental stage, they may in adolescence develop same-sex attractions.


Definitely worth repeating...
35 posted on 06/27/2002 11:02:41 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: tdadams; Emmylou
Open your minds a bit and try reading this thread.

Then go here: Homosexuality and Hope: A Statement of the Catholic Medical Association
36 posted on 06/27/2002 11:09:06 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Please don't ping me with something like this. For one, despite engaging in the debate with you, I don't take any particular interest in this topic. Secondly, I think the Catholic church's credibility in matters such as this isn't exactly on firm ground presently.
37 posted on 06/27/2002 11:20:46 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: maryz
The Church should not take the moral risk of allowing someone with SSA to enter the seminary.

Excellant advice! Too bad most bishops haven't followed this advice; especially since it was given in 1961!

38 posted on 06/27/2002 11:58:03 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
It was suggested on EWTN's coverage of the Dallas USCCB meeting that "the bishops are afraid."

An ugly suggestion, but how many of them might be afraid of being outed?

39 posted on 06/27/2002 12:21:23 PM PDT by maryz
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but how many of them might be afraid of being outed?

I'm sure it's more than one... Weakland was outed and ousted, and I suspect a few others. I'd prefer to see them all outed once and for all, so's we can get this mess cleaned up.

40 posted on 06/27/2002 12:41:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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